Tuesday, September 15, 2009

[Druid]ToC loot LIKE A BOSS

I'm not sure how popular the last like a boss list was, but for me it was hugely useful. Great to figure out what I needed and what bosses to get in for, where I should focus my DKP (which I'm happy to say is completely irrelevant now), and in general how to straterigize my looting. So...I totally am willing to say that this list is almost entirely good for me, and if it works for you - awesome. :)

But there's no new information in here, no new rankings, so if you're looking for some awesome info, probably best to look elsewhere. The only 'special' thing is that this combines both cat and bear rankings at once, so if you want to see what gear is best for both specs - this might help some. And there's my patented expert analysis...err...okay, random notes I put down for my own sake.

10 man:

Northrend Beasts (normal):
Acidmaw Boots/Acidmaw Treads (feet)- Normal (10) Beasts. Bear:36.2 (#5, -6.5) Cat: 34.69 (#4, -11.84)
Collar of Unending Torment/Collar of Ceaseless Torment (DPS neck)- normal (10) Beasts. Bear:unranked Cat: 26.38 (#6, -5.62)

Northrend Beasts (heroic):
Acidmaw Boots/Acidmaw Treads (feet) - Heroic (10) Beasts. Bear: 40.2 (#2, -2.5) Cat: 40.22 (#2, -6.23)
Collar of Unending Torment/Collar of Ceaseless Torment (DPS neck)- heroic (10) Beasts. Bear: 12.7 (#5) Cat: 30.61 (#2, -1.39)

Note that this neck for cats is the best one with armor pen, so it could be #1 if you're stacking a lot. The acidmaw boots are also very good for cats with low expertise and can be a suitable replacement in that situation for the icescale boots. Also note that there really aren't any other boot replacements other than 25 man faction champs, so even if you have to bite the bullet and get these, it will still be an upgrade from Ulduar (at least the normal mode)

Jaraxxus (normal):
Planestalker Signet/Planestalker Band (DPS finger)- Normal(10) Jaraxxus. Bear: 12.3 (#9, -4.9) Cat:27.56 (#4, -4.31)
Fortitude of the Infernal/Endurance of the Infernal (tank neck)- normal (10) Jaraxxus. Bear: 11.1 (#11, -7.1) Cat: unranked
Jaraxxus (heroic):
Planestalker Signet/Planestalker Band (DPS finger)- Heroic (10) Jaraxxus. Bear: 13.8 (#5, -3.4) Cat:30.98 (#2, -.81)
Fortitude of the Infernal/Endurance of the Infernal (tank neck)- heroic (10) Jaraxxus. Bear: 14.5(#3, -3.9) Cat: unranked

The Planestalker Signet on heroic is one of the best in the game, and again has that juicy arpen. The neck is probably best skipped for bears unless you've gotten unlucky (the normal one). The heroic one is a fairly decent upgrade, though it doesn't beat the Valkyr muse necks in either situation.

Faction Champions (normal):
Gloves of the Silver Assassin/Sunreaver Assassin's Gloves (hands)- Normal(10) Faction Champions. Bear: 32.3 (#7, -7.1) Cat: 37.39 (#4, -7.04)
Eitrigg's Oath/Fervor of the Frostborn (tank trinket)- normal(10) Faction Champions. Bear: 5.5 (#12, -9.9) Cat: unranked
Faction Champions (heroic):
Gloves of the Silver Assassin/Sunreaver Assassin's Gloves (hands)- Heroic (10) Faction Champions. Bear: 35.5 (#3, -3.9) Cat: 44.4 (#1)
Eitrigg's Oath/Fervor of the Frostborn (tank trinket)- heroic (10) Faction Champions. Bear: 6.0 (#11, -9.4) Cat: unranked

These gloves are great, and are a very worthy piece to dual-use for cat and bear due to the sockets. The trinket is sort of okay; as always take every trinket you can, but if it doesn't drop don't cry too much.

Twin Valkyr (normal):
Armor of Shifting Shadows/Vest of Shifting Shadows - normal (10) Valkyr. Bear: 49.1 (#10, -10) Cat: 48.94 (#8, -9.46)
Band of the Twin Val'kyr/Loop of the Twin Val'kyr (tank ring)- Normal(10) Valkyr. Bear: 13.6 (#6, -3.6) Cat: unranked
Twin Valkyr (heroic):
Armor of Shifting Shadows/Vest of Shifting Shadows (chest)- heroic (10) Valkyr.Bear: 53.2(#6, -5.9) Cat: 57.03 (#3, -1.47)
Band of the Twin Val'kyr/Loop of the Twin Val'kyr (tank ring)- Heroic(10) Valkyr. Bear:17.2 (#1) Cat: unranked

The chest on hard mode is the best chest with armor pen in the game, so again - if you're stacking that, this is where you want to go. It's not the best piece to use for cat and bear though. The ring is best in slot for bears and quite solid even on normal mode, better than any ring from Ulduar (though not beating Clutch).


Anub'Arak (normal):

Spaulders of the Snow Bandit/Shoulderpads of the Snow Bandit (Shoulders)- normal(10) Anub'arak . Bear: 36.7 (#9, -7.2) Cat: 34.74 (#7, -9.9)
Fordragon Blades/Anguish (Weapon)- normal(10) Anub'arak. Bear: 48.4 (#10, -13.1) Cat: 208.69 (#14, -76.7)
Anub'Arak (heroic):
Cloak of the Silver Covenant/Cloak of Serrated Blades (DPS cloak)- Tribute (10) chest. Bear: 23.9 (#4, -2.1) Cat: 31.8 (#3, -3.7)
Cloak of the Triumphant Combatant/Cloak of the Victorious Combatant (DPS strength cloak)- from Tribute(10) chest.Bear: unranked Cat: 26.5 (#8, -9.0)
Cloak of the Unmoving Guardian/Cloak of the Unflinching Guardian (tank cloak)- Tribute (10) chest. Bear: 23.5 (#6, - 2.5) Cat: unranked
Spaulders of the Snow Bandit/Shoulderpads of the Snow Bandit (Shoulders)- heroic(10) Anub'arak . Bear: 40.8(#3, -3.1) Cat: 39.4 (#4, -5.2)
Fordragon Blades/Anguish - (Weapon) heroic (10) Anub'arak. Bear: 55.7 (#4, -5.8) Cat: 236.96 (#8, -49.4)

I've seen these shoulders in heroic as best in slot due to the sockets, but I don't like them compared to the tier piece due to the lack of armor pen. For bears, they're pretty good. Anguish has the potential to be a very good bear weapon due to the stamina that you can pack on it, and this is as good a time as any to mention that if you do get lucky with weapons, especially in heroic mode - chances are you'll want a tanking weapon and a DPS weapon.
25 man:


Northrend Beasts (normal):
Drape of the Untamed Predator/Cloak of the Untamed Predator (DPS cloak)- normal (25) Beasts. Bear: 20.8 (#11, -5.2) Cat: 27.7 (#6, -7.8)
Band of the Violent Temperament/Ring of the Violent Temperament (Strength DPS ring)- normal (25) Beasts. Bear: unranked. Cat: 22.61 (#14, -9.26)
Leggings of the Broken Beast/Legwraps of the Broken Beast (Legs)- normal(25) Beasts. Bear: 53.7 (#3, -5.7) Cat: 49.47 (#5, -9.28)
Northrend Beasts (heroic):
Drape of the untamed Predator/Cloak of the untamed predator (DPS cloak)- heroic(25) Beasts. Bear: 23.8 (#5, -2.2) Cat: 32.15 (#2, -3.85)
Band of the Violent Temperament/Ring of the Violent Temperament (Strength DPS ring)- Heroic (25) Icehowl. Bear: unranked. Cat:26.85 (#6, -5.02)
Leggings of the Broken Beast/Legwraps of the Broken Beast (Legs)- heroic (25) Beasts. Bear: 59.4 (#1) Cat: 58.75 (#1)

The best cloak short of the insane tribute drops here on heroic, and it's one of the best in normal; don't let the low ranking fool you, it's that low because only tribute cloaks and hard mode cloaks are above it. The leggings are very strong for cat and bear, but especially bear. Too bad it's not a good place to share gear.

Jaraxxus (normal):
Pride of the Eredar/Pride of the Demon Lord (Tanking cloak)- normal (25) Jaraxxus.Bear: 21.9 (#8, -4.1) Cat: unranked
Cuirass of Calamitous Fate/Vest of Calamitous Fate (chest) - normal (25) Jaraxxus. Bear: 53.3 (#5, -5.8) Cat: 51.44 (#6, -7.06)
Charge of the Demon Lord/Charge of the Eredar (DPS neck)- normal(25) Jaraxxus. Bear: 11.7 (#9, -6.5) Cat: 27.53 (#3, -4.5)
Jaraxxus (heroic):
Pride of the Eredar/Pride of the Demon Lord (tanking cloak) - heroic(25) Jaraxxus. Bear: 24.6 (#3, -1.4) Cat: unranked
Cuirass of Calamitous Fate/Vest of Calamitous Fate (Chest)- Heroic (25) Jaraxxus. Bear: 59.1 (#1) Cat: 58.5 (#1)
Charge of the Demon Lord/Charge of the Eredar (DPS neck) - heroic (25) Jaraxxus. Bear: 14.3 (#4, -3.9) Cat: 32.0 (#1)

The heroic chest from Jaraxxus is a really great place to share gear between the two specs. Note that it's not that different from the ranking on the 258 tier piece for cats. The heroic neck is best in slot if you're going for agility primarily, but not best if you're going for armor pen. Much like the DPS cloak above, the Pride is the best cloak outside of Insanity tribute rewards, so definitely grab it if you can.

Faction Champions (normal):
Icewalker Treads/Treads of the Icewalker (Feet)- Normal(25) Faction Champions. Bear: 38.4 (#3, -4.3) Cat: 40.21 (#3, -6.24)
Band of Callous Aggression/Ring of Callous Aggression (DPS ring)- Normal(25) Faction Champions. Bear: 12.5 (#9, -4.7) Cat: 27.53 (#5, -4.34)
Satrina's Impending Scarab/Juggernaut's Vitality (Tanking trinket)- normal(25) Faction Champions. Bear: 12.9 (#4, -2.5) Cat: unranked
Faction Champions (heroic):
Icewalker Treads/Treads of the Icewalker (Feet)- Heroic (25) Faction Champions. Bear: 42.7 (#1) Cat: 46.45 (#1)
Band of Callous Aggression/Ring of Callous Aggression (DPS ring)- Heroic (25) Faction Champions. Bear: 14.6 (#3, -2.6) Cat: 31.87 (#1)
Satrina's Impending Scarab/Juggernaut's Vitality (Tanking trinket)- heroic (25) Faction Champions. Bear: 14.5 (#3, -.9) Cat: unranked

The best boots come from Faction champs, and this is another spot to double up for cat and bear. The Band of Callous Aggression is surprisingly good for bears too, and may beat older rings you have.

Twin Valkyr (normal):
Legionnaire's Gorget/Arbiter's Muse (Tanking neck)- normal (25) Valkyr. Bear: 15.3 (#2, -2.9) Cat: unranked
Belt of the Merciless Killer/Belt of the Pitiless Killer (Waist)- normal (25) Valkyr. Bear: 35.7 (#2, -4.2) Cat: 38.01 (#2, -4.99)
Lupine Longstaff/Twin's Pact (Weapon)- normal(25) Valkyr. Bear: 54.4 (#5, -7.1) Cat: 238.34 (#7, -47.0)
Death's Choice/Death's Verdict - normal (25) Valkyr. Bear: Unranked (but about #10) Cat: 35.8 (#2)
Twin Valkyr (heroic):
Legionnaire's Gorget/Arbiter's Muse (Tanking neck)- heroic (25) Valkyr.Bear: 18.2 (#1) Cat: unranked
Belt of the Merciless Killer/Belt of the Pitiless Killer (Waist)- heroic (25) Valkyr. Bear: 39.9 (#1) Cat: 43.0 (#1)
Lupine Longstaff/Twin's Pact -(Weapon) heroic (25) Valkyr. Bear: 61.5 (#1) Cat: 285.3 (#1)
Death's Choice/Death's Verdict - heroic (25) Valkyr. 40.5. Bear: Unranked (but about #5) Cat: 40.5 (#1)

Valkyrs on 25 are an embarrassment of riches, particularly at the hard mode. 4 different pieces, and they're all #1 for either cat or bear (or both). The belt is another good slot to double up on, and there's no replacement for it anywhere, basically. The neck is simply absurdly good for bears. The weapon is better than anything else. And the trinket is best for cats and very high for bears, narrowly beating Darkmoon:Greatness.

Anub'Arak (normal):
Band of the Traitor King/Signet of the Traitor King (Tanking ring)- Normal(25) Anub'arak. Bear: 11.7 (#11, -5.5) Cat: unranked
Armbands of Dark Determination/Bracers of Dark Determination (Wrist)- normal(25) Anub'arak. Bear: 31.0 (#4, -4.7) Cat: 28.15 (#3, -3.85)
Archon Glaive/Hellion Glaive (Weapon)- normal (25) Anub'arak. Bear: 53.4 (#6, -8.1) Cat: 239.81 (#6, -40.5)
Anub'Arak (heroic):
Vereesa's Dexterity/Sylvanas' Cunning (DPS Cloak)- from Tribute (25) chest. Bear: 26.0 (#1) Cat: 35.5 (#1)
Magni's Resolution/Cairne's Endurance (Tanking Cloak)- from Tribute (25) chest. Bear: 25.5 (#2, -.5) Cat: unranked
Band of the Traitor King/Signet of the Traitor King (Tanking ring)- Heroic (25) Anub'arak. Bear: 14.0 (#4, -3.2) Cat: unranked
Archon Glaive/Hellion Glaive (Weapon)- heroic (25) Anub'arak. Bear: 61.2 (#2, -.3) Cat: 282.7 (#2, -2.6)
Armbands of Dark Determination/Bracers of Dark Determination (Wrist)- heroic(25) Anub'arak. Bear: 35.7 (#1) Cat: 32.0 (#1)
Malfurion's Rainments of Triumph/Runetotem's Rainments of Triumph (Chest)- Regalia of the Grand Vanquisher (heroic 25). Bear: 57.4 (#2, -1.5) Cat: 58.39 (#2, -.11)
Malfurion's Handgrips of Triumph/Runetotem's Handgrips of Triumph - Regalia of the Grand Vanquisher (heroic 25). Bear:39.4 (#1) Cat: 43.54 (#2, -.9)
Malfurion's Headguard of Triumph/Runetotem's Headguard of Triumph - Regalia of the Grand Vanquisher (heroic 25). Bear: 57.2 (#1) Cat: 57.85 (#1)
Malfurion's Legguards of Triumph/Runetotem's Legguards of Triumph - Regalia of the Grand Vanquisher (heroic 25). Bear: 56.9 (#2, -2.5) Cat: 56.89 (#2, -1.9)
Malfurion's Shoulderpads of Triumph/Runetotem's Shoulderpads of Triumph - Regalia of the Grand Vanquisher (heroic 25). Bear: 43.9 (#1) Cat: 44.61 (#1)

Sorry this is such a mess, but this should give you an indication of how hard it is to get some of this gear. All of the 258 tier gear, the 272 cloaks, and some of the weapons only come from Anub'arak - and most only come if you beat him with 25 tries or more available. Again, keep this in mind when doing your gearing strategy.

That said, on normal the wrists are very strong, and beaten only by crusader-orb craftables and the hard mode item. The ring is fairly weak; I wouldn't bother with it unless you have poor rings and/or it will be DE'd. The weapon is very, very close in power to the best weapon at the same tier, so don't hesitate to grab it and feel fine if you don't already have a similarly awesome one.

Hard mode...gets odd. All the tier pieces are very strong, but in particular the chest is good if you want to double up on gear for cat & bear, and the gloves aren't far behind (though they don't have armor pen). I like the head personally, as there are no upgrades to it at this level of gear and it has expertise, something that most pieces are lacking. The shoulders are also very good to grab. I'm not a fan of the legs, but really none of the legs are itemized particularly well. Honestly, it will likely come down to what has dropped for you in terms of turning this in. Good luck if you get it :)

8 comments:

Copey said...

Super handy list to have when I get whispered if I want to pug into TOC, and they are on X boss.

Thanks!

Copey said...

Quick Question, what happened to your loot list for emblems of triumph for bears? Is it me, or is it missing?

Kalon said...

Hmm. I think it's right here:

http://wowthinktank.blogspot.com/2009/07/druid-32-emblem-gear-for-bears.html

Can you not pull that up?

Willowbear said...

I think we have the same tailor...

Or use the same modeling tool. Your list/valuation pretty much mirrors mine. Good to confirm I'm on target.

My ArPen is currently at 445, my hit at 258, my exp at 97 and my unbuffed crit is roughly 52%. I typically exlir/food buff ArPen so that number goes up to 530. I'm sporting Grim Toll. I've read conflicting/confusing opinions and would like to confirm that I'm in the sweet zone for ArPen rather than Agi. I haven't picked up near as many ToC upgrades as you so that number can only go higher. I'm mostly gemmed ArPen, but haven't regemmed with epic gems. So there is some but not a lot of room for growth there. And I keep two gear sets because I prefer to gem/enchant differently for bear than cat.

I was sitting on a high bid number in my ToC25s. Mostly because I was waiting for a staff drop and didn't care to lose it to a hunter. We dropped valkyrs and...no staff. Death's Verdict dropped instead. Practically every dps in the raid bid. The staff would have to wait. When I dropped my number you could hear the collective sigh of disappointment from every other dps class in the raid. Anyway, did I read that right where you think Death's Verdict is better than Greatness for bear? I didn't do the numbers, but I assumed the non-proc 90agi from greatness would be tough to beat.

Anonymous said...

Thanks for this - I've been using the other loot lists as reference and they are of huge help.

Was wondering if you could rank Attrition/Paragon's Breadth? (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=48710)

Thanks! (It seems slightly underbudget, but I've just picked it up and wondering where it compares to TV/Origin)

Willowbear said...

Hey Kalon do you have any input on the two questions in my earlier comment?

Kalon said...

Ah, sorry Willow - missed that comment. You're absolutely in the sweet spot for arpen - if you could get a bit more so you're capped (and now that 3.2.2 came out, you should go for even more) it should be a good improvement in damage.

Death's Choice isn't as good as DM:G, but it's very close to it in value, and would definitely be a good choice in a threat set. I still have Black Heart and Glyph of Indomitability as the top two trinkets, but again, it really depends.

Willowbear said...

Thanks for responding. I asked about Death's Choice because I pair up with a warrior in ToC-10s and I've been finding my comparative threat laging. He is a warrior that focuses his gearing choices on threat as well.

I am running with Blackheart and DM:G currently and I'm close to both the hit and exp caps in my tanking gear. But I find myself struggling with threat now and am looking for ways to improve. I noticed a poster's comments on another thread and may experiment with improved mangle. I'm curious what he is doing to generate as much threat as he claims.