tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post8553451973270750246..comments2023-10-03T03:48:35.523-07:00Comments on ThinkTank: [Druid] Ulduar loot weight, loot listing for bears (UPDATED 5/13)Kalonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05193899462301079034noreply@blogger.comBlogger56125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-37739244632790212112009-08-15T02:32:43.101-07:002009-08-15T02:32:43.101-07:00WTB update with 3.2WTB update with 3.2Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-7156313542577978172009-06-03T15:55:34.926-07:002009-06-03T15:55:34.926-07:00Yeah, Liz, I know. And it sucks. I was going to up...Yeah, Liz, I know. And it sucks. I was going to update this later this week with a couple of other items and a better weighing of jewelry armor. <br /><br />It's a real shame too. It was one of those things that made me hope to get gear again. Now it's surprisingly meh.Kalonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05193899462301079034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-54817613591650513042009-06-03T15:51:21.128-07:002009-06-03T15:51:21.128-07:00Leviathan's Coil just got hit by the nerf bat....Leviathan's Coil just got hit by the nerf bat. :( I logged in this afternoon and it's down to 448 armor.Lizhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06669903995750611550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-76284452619840912412009-05-20T21:00:54.358-07:002009-05-20T21:00:54.358-07:00I didn't see these particular pants on the list so...I didn't see these particular pants on the list so I thought I would throw them in... Leggards of Cunning Deception ..(http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=45536) They seem pretty well itemized for bear or cat and with three gem slots I would think you couldn't go wrong.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-1637984419479018622009-05-20T01:04:42.595-07:002009-05-20T01:04:42.595-07:00I'm thinking what to choose:
Embrace of Gladiator ...I'm thinking what to choose:<br />Embrace of Gladiator and 4 pieces of T8.25<br />or<br />Shoulderpds of the Intruder and 4 pieces of T8.25<br />What is your opinion?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-5368470650895292032009-05-18T10:17:00.000-07:002009-05-18T10:17:00.000-07:00Anon -
I'm not being funny but for starters,...Anon - <br /><br /><I> I'm not being funny but for starters, you wont need 45k health to start in ulduar, I run at about 44k and tanked XT on 25 no problem</I>I'm not sure I ever stated that 45k is the minimum, but it certainly makes certain fights much easier (Vezax without kiting, Ignis before the nerfs, XT before the nerfs, Thorim, etc). <br /><br /><I>and secondly WTF is will all the PvP gear, yes its good, but if you just stack the pvp sets, then you are going to have fuck all hit and expertise which imo is bloody important, we had 6 wipes on Iron council 10 because one of the tanks taunt failed to get the second mob off the other tank and he died.</I>Okay, we'll dissect this as it's an important point.<br /><br />First off, there's nothing that says that you can't have another set of gear that's tailored for hit if you absolutely must have a taunt work. <br /><br />Secondly, expertise does nothing for you for taunt resists.<br /><br />Third, taunts are based on spell hit, not hit, which means they require 17% total spell hit removal to be 100% effective. Which just doesn't exist on feral gear for the most part.<br /><br />That all said - hit really isn't bloody important. Nor is expertise. Primal precision takes care of most of your expertise needs and most bears are swimming in expertise anyway. If they go for full pvp, that's still fine; they'll likely have it from jewelry anyway. Hit is less important than expertise except in the case where taunts matter - and in that case, you should equip hit gear and the glyph of growl. But the cases where taunts are Really Really Important aren't the common ones. There's IC (arguable), Kologarn, Thorim. Maybe Razorscale. Yogg if you do a tank switch. So on 4 of 14 fights, taunting is potentially important. <br /><br />Everywhere else it's better to have more stamina, agility and armor.Kalonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05193899462301079034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-17174371990175448152009-05-17T22:21:00.000-07:002009-05-17T22:21:00.000-07:00I'm not being funny but for starters, you wont nee...I'm not being funny but for starters, you wont need 45k health to start in ulduar, I run at about 44k and tanked XT on 25 no problem, and secondly WTF is will all the PvP gear, yes its good, but if you just stack the pvp sets, then you are going to have fuck all hit and expertise which imo is bloody important, we had 6 wipes on Iron council 10 because one of the tanks taunt failed to get the second mob off the other tank and he died. And as for stacking stam yes its helpful, but I'd never sacrifice lots of dodge for health, Im running at 41.42% dodge with just Pinky paw, if I were to regem for stam i'd gain about 600 health taking me to 34.1/2k with paw, but Id drop to about 1% dodge, so at 33.6k health there is no way im taking 600 health over a full 1% dodge I just cant see the point.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-91557734364267785712009-04-29T16:50:00.000-07:002009-04-29T16:50:00.000-07:00Typical that when new gear that actually makes me ...Typical that when new gear that actually makes me *drool* appears, the moment is short lived when I see where it is dropped from. <br /><br />The following pieces all look pretty amazing to me, particularly the shoulders (OMG more stam than T7!):<br /><br />http://www.mmo-champion.com/i/news/2009/april/04_26_9806_3.jpg<br />http://www.mmo-champion.com/i/news/2009/april/04_26_9806_17.jpg<br />http://www.mmo-champion.com/i/news/2009/april/04_26_9806_7.jpg<br /><br />Disappointed there's no Origin of Nightmares v.2.0 in Ulduar so will be sticking with it for a while.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-82386286476546769072009-04-26T20:41:00.000-07:002009-04-26T20:41:00.000-07:00Mmo champ has new hard mode loot up. The only weap...Mmo champ has new hard mode loot up. The only weapon I can see as being a great tanking weapon (aside from arena) is "Dark Edge of Depravity", a polearm from 25 hard mode Yoggie. Nice agi, nice stam and two sockets thrown in? Yes please. <br /><br />Unfortunately I'm only in a ten man guild. No idol for me either. Just a question: Where would Furnace Stone rank in trinkets?<br /><br />Also very sad..picked up the valorous t8 shoulders from Thorim..then found they are worse, but would have been an upgrade for the other druid and two mages I was with. Gotta love the lowering of stam as we go up a tier =SLooriihttp://guildinertia.org/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-48099160591791847472009-04-23T11:42:00.000-07:002009-04-23T11:42:00.000-07:00DaveP- Ive tanked all the fights up to general exc...DaveP- Ive tanked all the fights up to general except hodir and thor and did fine on all of them its true that DKs are alil OP right now but as kalon said they got nerfed im kinda disappionted in blizz for giving all my stam that i lost to the DKs though.<br /><br />the only reason i didnt tank hodir is b/c its a 1 tank boss and im more usfull as a backup healer sense im in full t7 resto and i just kinda back up tanked thor while kitty dpsing on the side once the event was over<br /><br />druid tanking really isnt bad at all right now i agree we took some hits to armor and stam and my personal TPS isnt the same as it was back in BC but im still finding that im a better choice then a warrior and that i can tank just as well as a DK/pally mayb a lil less TPS but it really dosnt matter if the raid isnt pulling off uspineshatternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-16380449126704912212009-04-23T10:10:00.000-07:002009-04-23T10:10:00.000-07:00Beable - the issue with armor pen was that it appe...Beable - the issue with armor pen was that it appeared that it wasn't providing enough value. With the new armor pen calculations provided by Ghostcrawler, it looks like it's right on the money. It does mean that it's slightly less valuable than was thought, but it also appears to be at least as valuable as agility point-for-point, and gets better the more you stack it. And you're right - Bindings of the Tunneler would have made the list were it not for epic-only. I'll revise this ranking and the list in the future as we get more loot.<br /><br />DaveP - DKs have already been nerfed. They're probably close to where they should be. I still expect warrior 4pT8 to be nerfed.<br /><br />Sessari - I think a lot of it has to do with who is healing you. Some of it will be mechanical, like Spineshatter said, but some of it will simply be how on the ball your healer is. There's a lot of damage and chaos on the Ignis fight, so your healer really does matter and can't just stand there and spam. That being said, we found that in spite of me taking a lot less physical damage it was about as easy to heal our pally tank as it was me.<br /><br />Spineshatter - hey, and good luck with the rest of Ulduar. :) I'm not in game all that often, but if you want to shoot me emails that's fine. If I'm on you're welcome to talk to me too - just can't always guarantee it, is all. AndKalonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05193899462301079034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-29927344364393294492009-04-23T09:02:00.000-07:002009-04-23T09:02:00.000-07:00on another note sessari i find that we as druids c...on another note sessari i find that we as druids can take alot of punishment but prenerf ignis had a ton of fire dmg added in due to a bug were each add also increased the fire dmg alot its been fixed but b4 then i wanna say pallys had more spell mitigation for some reason i cant really remeber thats why it prbly seemed he cld handle it betterspineshatternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-7209564031088784542009-04-23T08:56:00.000-07:002009-04-23T08:56:00.000-07:00Hey Kalon im not sure if you have herd of me most ...Hey Kalon im not sure if you have herd of me most havent but im the feral tank from perdition on QD when ever u get the chance id like to talk to you ingame about some stuff it would b nice to finaly have another feral to bounce ideas off of :Dspineshatternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-5216909956312733832009-04-20T21:10:00.000-07:002009-04-20T21:10:00.000-07:00Sorry for being so blunt, but may I ask you a ques...Sorry for being so blunt, but may I ask you a question regarding 10man Ulduar? My Guild and I have been debating this for a while now and couldnt figure out whats stalling our progression.<br /><br />For Ignis we had our Resto-Shaman switch to Moonkin as he was the only one who could reliably kill and root those ADDs and our MT switched to healing while I was then tanking Ignis.<br /><br />With 40k hp/40k armor and 53% post-DR avoidance (45% dodge, 8% miss) I usualy didn't survive any prolongued time while two adds where up, thus buffing the Boss. On the other hand the Paladin, with slightly better gear and a more skilled Tree healing him had little to no problems whatsoever survivng with 4 adds being up.<br /><br />Where my stats too low, or was it the switch from a experienced Tree to an rather unexperienced Holypala that what caused us to wipe?sessarinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-57212205903815292272009-04-17T13:38:00.000-07:002009-04-17T13:38:00.000-07:00Thanks for the response.
Well, if Dks continued ...Thanks for the response. <br /><br />Well, if Dks continued to be OP for every single hard mode encounter, I'm sure they'll be enough consensus quickly enough, that it'll get fixed. Also remember that accessing hard modes for the majority of players is going to take longer than a couple of weeks. I suspect for all players actually. I think they're tuned to require you to farm Ulduar for several weeks before you can get to some of them. I doubt many guilds - like ours - in the top 500 will even have normal mode on farm for several weeks. The first 2 bosses we've done - razor & XT - hit like trucks in easy mode. And the fights are pretty sensitive to player preformance. The less skilled players who've been carried through much of wrath so far are now more apparant. <br /><br />So that's plenty of time for Blizzard to make adjustments. Its something they have their eye on now more than ever.DavePnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-89652056885669131382009-04-17T12:50:00.000-07:002009-04-17T12:50:00.000-07:00I believe Bindings of the Tunneler would have made...I believe Bindings of the Tunneler would have made your list if not for the Epic requirement in your filter.Beablenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-85561943326748164612009-04-17T11:30:00.000-07:002009-04-17T11:30:00.000-07:00Beable; arpen was buffed for 3.1, but it's bugged ...Beable; arpen was buffed for 3.1, but it's bugged so that the benefit is smaller than it should be. Stacking arpen is going to be key for physical dps in 3.1, as it gets better the more you have of it.Shamadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18412957246927291161noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-28073262431391306282009-04-17T11:15:00.000-07:002009-04-17T11:15:00.000-07:00Yeah, you're undoubtedly right about Rawr. I've u...Yeah, you're undoubtedly right about Rawr. I've used it a bit in the past, but it annoys me with its whole piece 1 + this gem, then piece 1 + this other gem, then piece 1 + yet another gem combination stuff. Maybe that was just default behavior that I can get rid of.<br /><br />What I really need is one of these weight comparison sites to allow me to say "I've got that" and save that information. Then I won't have to have a huge Google doc spreadsheet like I do now.<br /><br />What is the arpen bug? Are we benefiting too much?Beablenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-4081528101318654812009-04-17T10:23:00.000-07:002009-04-17T10:23:00.000-07:00beable, I've been very annoyed by lootrank in the ...beable, I've been very annoyed by lootrank in the past. It's okay for certain things, but I've found it to do weighings really bizarrely and not be up-to-date in items compared to wowhead. <br /><br />Ultimately, you should use Rawr. That'll be the best tool. Toskk's sim and FeralByNight are two other good tools. Nothing compares to a tool for determining what is best for your individual situation. I do loot lists because those tools don't help a ton when looking at gear drops or figuring out gearing strategies. <br /><br />I don't have a good scale for cats yet. I'm still wanting to see how the armor pen bug and that works out. For now, I'll be taking any cat-only gear I have and converting it to arpen, and any shared gear will have agi. They're very closely ranked.<br />DaveP - Bears are going to be easier to heal than warriors or paladins for quite a few of the normal-mode fights. That's because the higher than warrior/paladin armor and high HP come into play a bit more early on. The issue I've had isn't that druids won't be tanking anything, it's that they're likely not well-suited for the harder modes, where cooldown usage makes a very big deal. This is primarily a problem with DKs more than anything else, but keep in mind when you get to Mimiron - a warrior or DK will make your life a LOT easier in P1.Kalonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05193899462301079034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-58291813595258389952009-04-17T08:08:00.000-07:002009-04-17T08:08:00.000-07:00OK I looked at wowhead and it seems much improved ...OK I looked at wowhead and it seems much improved regarding gems. Still prefer lootrank, so I'll be porting your stuff over to that scale.<br /><br />Do you have a new cat scale to suggest? It seems like agil > str now and also arpen might be important.<br /><br />My favorite thing about your wowhead scale is that Fishing Poles are explicitly included. :)Beablenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-44846334604698657092009-04-17T07:56:00.000-07:002009-04-17T07:56:00.000-07:00The nice thing that I've found is that 10mans - wh...The nice thing that I've found is that 10mans - when we're geared in 25 man gear - feel significantly easier than 25mans. That's very satisfying, because that's something Blizzard promised. <br /><br />Oh - interestingly, we also got stuck on XT last night after blasting through Razorscale. (blasting through FL in hard mode is rather like blasting through Chess in kara - free lootz for all, yeah!) ... too many deaths from Xts single target attacks. I cant diagnose why, because I was MTing the whole time (apparantly the bear was easier to heal than a warrior, and I had 5k more health, lol... so much for all the nerfs)DavePnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-81795152499008097252009-04-17T06:51:00.000-07:002009-04-17T06:51:00.000-07:00Just a thought, but I like lootrank.com much bette...Just a thought, but I like lootrank.com much better than wowhead for comparing item weights. It does the gems more correctly. Maybe you could even get them to publish your ideal bear and cat weights as a standard template.Beablenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-6381825513413491372009-04-16T16:42:00.000-07:002009-04-16T16:42:00.000-07:00*Lev and Razorscale very fast. I can haz edit butt...*Lev and Razorscale very fast. I can haz edit button for my hyperactive brain? :(Shamadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18412957246927291161noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-87140993002021522902009-04-16T16:40:00.000-07:002009-04-16T16:40:00.000-07:00Guild has been running with DK/Prot Warrior/Prot P...Guild has been running with DK/Prot Warrior/Prot Paladin tanks, and I've actually been asked to switch classes completely bringing up my Priest as my new main and being a dualspec disc/shadow priest for us. Sadly we're really not running any bears tanking atm so can't say much about that.<br /><br />We did 10mans yesterday and earlier today and the group that has been more active is currently somewhere past Iron Council. Started 25man raiding today and I'm a bit dissapointed we bogged down on XT after doing Lev and XT very fast. Problems on XT were raidhealing related, and we're trying to address those now.Shamadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18412957246927291161noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-38561390047732263192009-04-16T07:42:00.000-07:002009-04-16T07:42:00.000-07:00I guess we'll see whether the issue - which hangs ...I guess we'll see whether the issue - which hangs on the word "supposedly" - is actually real. Shamad werent you one of the bears being "sat" by your guild. What have you been up to the last 2 days? Getting bored, or is the argent tournament keeping you busy while the better tanks in your guild clear Ulduar?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com