tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post7699557085498168722..comments2023-10-03T03:48:35.523-07:00Comments on ThinkTank: [Druid] So...how good is Glyph of Indomitability?Kalonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05193899462301079034noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-10667507656258601842009-09-29T17:50:15.895-07:002009-09-29T17:50:15.895-07:00Interesting, well we rarely run DK tanks anymore s...Interesting, well we rarely run DK tanks anymore so our testing was quite limited.Shamadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18412957246927291161noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-84278668159267515542009-09-29T09:15:20.202-07:002009-09-29T09:15:20.202-07:00Shamad - actually, AMS did account for it entirely...Shamad - actually, AMS did account for it entirely. Good call, Melthu.Kalonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05193899462301079034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-72429274984239067822009-09-29T07:00:39.306-07:002009-09-29T07:00:39.306-07:00FWIW in an alt run our MT on his alt DK said that ...FWIW in an alt run our MT on his alt DK said that AMS reduces damage from Freezing Slash. If you look at the spell description on Wowhead it describes the attack as "Froststrike" damage, which I assume is why it can't be resisted. It can apparently be absorbed though, which makes DKs a pretty solid choice as Anub tanks if they can time AMS correctly.Melthunoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-74923323313863659662009-09-28T14:43:51.170-07:002009-09-28T14:43:51.170-07:00There has been some rumours going about DK's u...There has been some rumours going about DK's using AMZ or Anti-Magic Shield to reduce the slash damage, although we've not been able to recreate it on 10man or 25man. I doubt that account for the discrepancy you are seeing, just thought I'd throw it out there.Shamadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18412957246927291161noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-52917137199751614222009-09-28T13:44:14.228-07:002009-09-28T13:44:14.228-07:00dtc - the new Ony ring is absolutely phenomenal, e...dtc - the <a href="http://www.wowhead.com/?item=49489" rel="nofollow">new Ony ring</a> is absolutely phenomenal, especially in ToC. Just crazy good. It certainly beats Clutch against Beasts and Anub'arak. <br /><br />Becky - thanks, that does look pretty nice.<br /><br />Darksend - I hadn't tested the meta recently; the last time I had was back at the beginning of WotLK. That's...disappointing. It doesn't really change things here much, but it's still quite annoying.<br /><br />Shahar - as other commenters have noted, haste is very, very good for overall threat. Especially since bear attacks don't scale that well with AP, having more hits in the same time is actually quite good. I'm starting to think that the best threat stat a bear can have is haste now. Sad but true.<br /><br />Shamad - thanks for the strat, and grats on the kill! Also, write more!<br /><br />Eow, I'd probably go glyph + juggernaut. You need a good amount of stam to survive the slash/hit/leech tick, and armor alone isn't going to cut it, but you don't want to stack so much that you're dying.<br /><br />Melthu - as far as I can tell, freezing slash is at least physical to some degree and can be mitigated by armor. However, looking back at the logs it looks more like it's always a 25% hit no matter what your health is; our DK took significantly less damage per hit than I did every time, and that's the only thing that makes sense (it's not resistable, for instance). So you may be right and armor may only work on the melee hit. At the same time, it works well on the melee hit; stamina doesn't do anything to stop that damage, nor does it help with the leech (and actually makes you take more damage). Furthermore, there's good evidence that the damage you take from leech is computed 'early', and can jump over taking damage - meaning higher health can suck here.<br /><br />My personal view is that you need a certain threshold of stamina to hit on Anub, but beyond that stamina is something of a detriment. That's what worked for us, in any case.Kalonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05193899462301079034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-50927644892459570502009-09-28T13:26:35.861-07:002009-09-28T13:26:35.861-07:00Kal, I have to disagree that armor is better on An...Kal, I have to disagree that armor is better on Anub than stamina. Yes, stamina makes you heal him more, but as the main tank your goal is to survive. Realistically the only way you can die is to a Swarm tick + melee + Freezing Slash all within the same second. The problem with armor is that it only reduces damage from 1 of those sources, the other 2 will do the same amount of damage if you had 0 armor. Avoidance is similarly weak, so the only stats that will save you are stamina and resistance. And while nature resistance is definitely good on this fight, I think you can see why relying on it to save you from a Leech+melee+Slash gib is a losing proposition.Melthunoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-26583364442325002822009-09-28T03:26:33.475-07:002009-09-28T03:26:33.475-07:00Glyph+Juggernaut are probably the way to go, thoug...Glyph+Juggernaut are probably the way to go, though our MT was sporting double stam trinkets during the kill, but he's planning on picking up glyph for next week.Shamadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18412957246927291161noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-59035315214319431672009-09-28T02:19:37.450-07:002009-09-28T02:19:37.450-07:00Hi,
First thanks for this article, it is very inst...Hi,<br />First thanks for this article, it is very instructive.<br />For Anub HM and a bear tank with a good stuff, what do you think are the 2 bests trinkets to have ? Glyph + back heart ? Glyph + juggernaut ? Glyph + DM:G ?Eôwnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-29837651968822291842009-09-27T16:47:26.378-07:002009-09-27T16:47:26.378-07:00I am a firm believer of changing trinkets to suit ...I am a firm believer of changing trinkets to suit the encounters. Trinkets are the easiest things on your gear you can change and can greatly effect your success in the encounter.<br /><br />Armor is so win for H-Beasts and Anub or any boss with an ability to I hit you harder now (eg General) or a Stun.<br /><br />Any encounter with high percentage of magic dmg go with Stam trinkets.<br /><br />Fast hitters go with either Stam or avoidance (if you can meet minimum thresholds).<br /><br />Log the encounters if you can and see where the dmg is coming from and adjust your trinket strategy accordingly.Torossohttp://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Khaz%27goroth&n=Torossonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-51596349591683854172009-09-26T18:05:48.970-07:002009-09-26T18:05:48.970-07:00Loved the article, I'm a fellow bear currently...Loved the article, I'm a fellow bear currently working on Twins HM and I have a huge thing for armor. Loved Defender's Code, dearly miss the legendary Badge of Tenacity. Points about Anub are pretty interesting, never factored his health leach into my gearing strat.<br /><br />To Shahar, haste is an interesting stat I think. 60% of my threat tends to come from Maul so haste hugely increases that. It increases the number of parries you get however, but I've personally come to the conclusion that I'm ok if I wear a couple extra expertise pieces. Hunter/Warlock threat can be scary.bearmountnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-53869455215541284332009-09-26T06:12:08.664-07:002009-09-26T06:12:08.664-07:00Oh and forgot to add, world 17th tribute to skill ...Oh and forgot to add, world 17th tribute to skill \o/Shamadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18412957246927291161noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-65783224774513605902009-09-26T06:11:16.129-07:002009-09-26T06:11:16.129-07:00Completely unrelated but I figured I'd share o...Completely unrelated but I figured I'd share our strategy guide for Anub with you here, it's a bit less "for dummies" than our Valkyrs tactic, but it should help guilds approaching this fight(on 25man) get to a point where they can start working on execution instead of figuring out how everything works.<br /><br />The fight still requires a pretty good comp at this time, but as people gear up you'll be able to get away with far more healing during p3 and more varied comps of dps.<br /><br />http://lotto-guild.com/forums/thread/443Shamadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18412957246927291161noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-82806426528344814462009-09-26T01:55:48.175-07:002009-09-26T01:55:48.175-07:00Thank you for writing this post, you gave me quite...Thank you for writing this post, you gave me quite alot to think about as I was really reluctant to give up my stamina for armor (Heart of Iron and Impending Scarab together are just epeen). Now I will definatly going to check the glyph out in next TotGC on 10 man and see how my healers feel about it (on gurmak and anub).<br /><br />A bit off topic , but is something I troubled myself about and couldnt find alot of info about- Haste. For bears. I changed a couple of gems around and took the +10 haste +15 stamina gems. I also got at the same day the new crafted leather bracers, and felt a big difference in my tps, suddenly the hunter in my raid didnt have to FD so much when he got a row of crits.. Would like to ask what yours/ other bears opinion about Haste.Sunburnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09492198983245451974noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-7614342157168893922009-09-25T23:14:38.140-07:002009-09-25T23:14:38.140-07:00OK just double checked the meta to make sure.
T...OK just double checked the meta to make sure. <br /><br />The meta does not affect armor on rings, trinkets, or necks with 100% certainty. It also does not affect additional armor on capes.<br /><br />for example http://www.wowhead.com/?item=47042 has 166 armor, that gets multiplied by thick hide, SOTF (when in form), and the meta. <br /><br />http://www.wowhead.com/?items=4.-6&filter=minle=213;maxle=213#0-6+1 all of those have 154 armor except http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40252 so for shadowed sun the 154 base armor from iLvl will get multipliers but the (490-154=336) additional 336 armor will always be 336.<br /><br />Furthermore, it does not affect armor on weapons.Darksend Mercenarehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04390112227038637450noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-90825364886526489302009-09-25T21:57:08.411-07:002009-09-25T21:57:08.411-07:00Have not read all of it yet, just got home from th...Have not read all of it yet, just got home from the gym and am about to hop in the shower but have you actually tested the meta recently?<br /><br />GC replied to one of my posts about armor when the nerf happened and guess what, he was wrong. He said that the meta would continue to affect rings necks and trinkets, well, it does not affect rings or necks with armor as of 3 months ago.Darksend Mercenarehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04390112227038637450noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-11354586980909171262009-09-25T16:33:03.290-07:002009-09-25T16:33:03.290-07:00Re: paper doll tooltip showing level 80 armor cap....Re: paper doll tooltip showing level 80 armor cap...<br /><br />Awesome mod I found quite some time ago, hasn't been updated in a while but still works just fine far's I can tell. <a href="http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/armor-cap-tooltip.aspx" rel="nofollow">ArmorTooltip</a>, adds a line to the armor tooltip listing your damage reduction versus a +3 mob once you're over level 70.Veyskahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08500304888564404732noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-38630154365038949212009-09-25T15:40:39.800-07:002009-09-25T15:40:39.800-07:00Hey Kalon, What you think of the new ony rings? Do...Hey Kalon, What you think of the new ony rings? Does the 25 man version really beat out Clutch of fortification? I see you would lose both threat and dodge, but it has a nice amount of armor and more resistance is nice for a lot of fights.Dustinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11975230778619402201noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-69677128604886428982009-09-25T15:14:36.407-07:002009-09-25T15:14:36.407-07:00Ah, Michael, good question. It used to be that bea...Ah, Michael, good question. It used to be that bears aimed at getting armor capped by default, and then moved on to other gear. That's no longer the case, but there is definitely a cap. <br /><br />At level 80, the cap against level 83 mobs is 49905. Note that the tooltip shows your stats against a level 80 mob, so it will be slightly lower than that in reality.<br /><br />In practice you could in theory get that high with some really odd procs (Living Root of the Wildheart, The Black Heart, potion, dev armor, stoneskin totem might do it) but in reality you should just not worry about it. Armor is going to always be useful against mobs that hit hard.Kalonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05193899462301079034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-15324861917758840772009-09-25T15:11:04.958-07:002009-09-25T15:11:04.958-07:00Question to consider, as I didn't start til wr...Question to consider, as I didn't start til wrath and don't know quite how armor works at high gear levels: Is there an armor cap?<br /><br />Case in point: Tanking 10H Anub, and I had just picked up the passive dodge/on-use armor stack and I didn't want to go double stam for his swarm. I used that trinket plus the 10 Ignis trinket (dodge+5k armor pop) at the same time put me up to around 42.8k armor, but I think the tooltip only read around 73% damage reduction. Obviously passive armor is mainly what we're discussing here, but in cases where armor can be drastically increased, at what point is it no longer useful? Is there a hard cap?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00469031841561586495noreply@blogger.com