tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post6764616287108442221..comments2023-10-03T03:48:35.523-07:00Comments on ThinkTank: [Druid] Cat in the CapKalonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05193899462301079034noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-57700693011155889442010-01-22T14:34:31.508-08:002010-01-22T14:34:31.508-08:00Thanks so much for this, I was getting confused by...Thanks so much for this, I was getting confused by the sudden problem of hitting caps, and finally having all the hard facts in one place helps a lot.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-9542920125080172602010-01-07T09:15:57.956-08:002010-01-07T09:15:57.956-08:00Anon - thanks for the correction. :)I've updat...Anon - thanks for the correction. :)I've updated the post accordingly.Kalonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05193899462301079034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-86948758310721968262010-01-04T23:41:53.227-08:002010-01-04T23:41:53.227-08:00I just want to add that the "131" needed...I just want to add that the "131" needed for Expertise Cap with Primal Precision is in fact "131.16". Meaning more then likely, you're going to need 132, as I found out first hand when I attempted to regem.<br /><br />Other then that, great work.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-64658299100981099302009-12-17T20:58:34.938-08:002009-12-17T20:58:34.938-08:00Sorry, I didn't answer earlier.
The expertise...Sorry, I didn't answer earlier.<br /><br />The expertise on your character sheet is the expertise skill - similar to defense skill and dodge %. Every point of expertise skill gives .25% parry and dodge. <br /><br />To get one point of expertise skill, you need about 8 points of expertise rating. That's what shows up on gear and what shows up when you mouse over your character sheet. <br /><br />Your goal is to get 26 expertise skill at least. This will include primal precision. More is better, as a bear.Kalonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05193899462301079034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-2241880872240996542009-12-17T19:34:02.465-08:002009-12-17T19:34:02.465-08:00How interesting --
if I look at my expertise thr...How interesting -- <br /><br />if I look at my expertise thru the Armory it looks like<br />Expertise 33.<br /> when you mouse over it, it says<br />Expertise 190<br />Reduces chance to be dodges or parried by 8.25%<br />Expertise Rating 33 (+23 expertise).<br /><br />but on my actual character in game it says<br />Expertise 33. If you mouse over it, it says<br />Expertise 33<br />Reduces chance to be dodges or parried by 8.25%<br />Expertise Rating 190 (+23 expertise).<br /><br />that may explain part of my confusion.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-47038393751321908672009-12-17T07:50:04.501-08:002009-12-17T07:50:04.501-08:00I need to ask a really stupid question -- I'm ...I need to ask a really stupid question -- I'm sorry and I know you math types are gonna be groaning. Can you tell me exactly which expertise number I need to be looking at? Why so many different numbers? So without the math, which number do I need to look at?<br />When you look at the stats it says Expertise 33. If you mouse over it, it says<br />Expertise 190<br />Reduces chance to be dodges or parried by 8.25%<br />Expertise Rating 33 (+23 expertise).<br /><br />I'm a bear tank (I'm pretty well geared and one of my guilds main tanks) and I have the 2/2 in Primal Precision. I'm pretty sure my expertise is low, but not sure. Is that 33 the one that needs to be 16 with primal precision? Which would make my expertise just fine. Or is that the number that needs to be 131? Which would make me really low. What is the +23 referring to?<br /><br />Thank you for your patience :).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-25040548871837915752009-12-01T14:48:07.940-08:002009-12-01T14:48:07.940-08:00Vallen - that's kinda true, and maybe not. It&...Vallen - that's kinda true, and maybe not. It's certainly reasonable to max hit/expertise caps, and it's very likely that gear will exist at least the heroic level that will allow hitting the arpen cap. The crit cap is more just an interesting sidenote, but won't reasonably matter; even if you're above the white crit cap, it won't hit your dps so hugely. Still, it means that haste is definitely the way to go. <br /><br />Bulamis - that's exactly right. <br /><br />Keith - that's possible, but I doubt it simply because the damage on rip isn't nearly as scalable as a crit is on yellow attacks. And those procs give a LOT of agi. <br /><br />Hanzala - thanks and oops :)<br /><br />Sanctuary - I've updated the post so that it reads the current version, which is a slightly better runestone in all ways.<br /><br />Thessaly - I'll probably revise my values to value haste more than crit simply because of the high crit. According to FBN it's already higher. Haste is actually pretty awesome for cats - partially because we do a lot of damage from white attacks, and partially because of OoC procs.<br /><br />Screamatme - gemming for expertise as a cat is probably not optimal, but doing so as a bear is not the worst thing you can do if you really care about threat and have health out the wazoo - and honestly, you do have health out the wazoo. 16 expertise is almost the bare (hah) minimum you want to hit; you should try and get more if you want more threat. But don't kill your health doing so.<br /><br />Asp - I'm unaware of any haste cap. It's not like you can get your GCD down to 1 second or something or even care about it. More haste is more better, and it scales linearly for the most part.Kalonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05193899462301079034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-38098793805586456422009-11-29T22:05:00.166-08:002009-11-29T22:05:00.166-08:00Speaking of caps, I'm at the point now where I...Speaking of caps, I'm at the point now where I am gemming agi/haste in yellow sockets. Is there a haste cap for cats, and if so what is it? Or is it one of those things that never becomes bad because we never get it to caster levels?Aspnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-80299238884383255572009-11-29T08:07:09.257-08:002009-11-29T08:07:09.257-08:00Forgive me if this has been covered before, but I&...Forgive me if this has been covered before, but I'm still wet behind the ears as a feral, your numbers on the various caps caught my eye, I have a huge moral hindrance gemming for expertise. With the talent points invested into primal whatever does that mean as a bear I should only really be focused on maintaining 16 expertise and anything more via gear or enchant is just extra icing on the cake?screamatmehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13609453874046239407noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-34358060918870271022009-11-24T09:55:10.519-08:002009-11-24T09:55:10.519-08:00I'm personally quite close to the white softca...I'm personally quite close to the white softcap, raid buffed. I've been debating gemming for hit and expertise, since the relatively large amounts on current gear (9 exp on helm alone) make it difficult to hit the cap exactly. I also have been considering haste, given how high a percentage white dmg is for us.Thessalynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-16800391877342065972009-11-20T16:19:39.767-08:002009-11-20T16:19:39.767-08:00I just wanted to mention that the encrusted scarab...I just wanted to mention that the encrusted scarab has been changed.<br />http://ptr.wowhead.com/?item=50198<br /><br />It gives now 672ish ARPen-Rating<br /><br />Great Blog though =)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-30039854637189188672009-11-20T15:58:13.793-08:002009-11-20T15:58:13.793-08:00As noted above Needle Encrusted Scorpion has been ...As noted above Needle Encrusted Scorpion has been changed to 678 arpen to better match ilvl. This would make the cap with the proc 722, much nicer than the ~950 it was before. I've heard that the proc rate is ~10% on crits, which would seem ok for druids ( I know I have roughly 60% crit raid buffed)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-72732458378368061372009-11-19T07:03:45.376-08:002009-11-19T07:03:45.376-08:00Looks to me like Hit Rating is going to be hard to...Looks to me like Hit Rating is going to be hard to come by in 3.3 - complete opposite to the endless hit available now. Ive drafted my rough shopping list and as far as I can see would end up with 115 hit rating on my Kitty.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-29434600146528671102009-11-18T07:41:09.630-08:002009-11-18T07:41:09.630-08:00They updated the Scorpion trinket to over 650arp.They updated the Scorpion trinket to over 650arp.Yami Michaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06741369080647984983noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-20049140718478541162009-11-17T22:06:23.903-08:002009-11-17T22:06:23.903-08:00"With the new expansion feral cats..."
..."With the new expansion feral cats..."<br /><br />Don't you mean patch :PUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11315859814604903984noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-5287566961310973522009-11-17T14:52:55.618-08:002009-11-17T14:52:55.618-08:00Interesting. Looks like I can ditch a point of Pr...Interesting. Looks like I can ditch a point of Primal Precision with my current gear, according to Rawr.<br /><br />And the crit cap may make certain Idols more valuable (i.e. an Agility proc on the idol may be worth less than the Rip idol).<br /><br />I've got over 500 points of Agility on procs right now, with Mongoose, Idol of the Corrupter, and DM:G. Still a long way from the crit cap, but something to keep an eye on. (Since I'm not ready for a variety of reasons to gem AP.)s k grahamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04151682752528705977noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-6902324946829810792009-11-17T13:25:22.311-08:002009-11-17T13:25:22.311-08:00Ok simple question for the non-capped. (And a way...Ok simple question for the non-capped. (And a way to fully understand the math)<br /><br />If I am say, 3% under the expertise cap, does that mean my white hits will have a guarantee of 3% dodge, and thus lowering my Crit Cap by 3% as well?Bulamisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-64553669055926047552009-11-17T13:04:15.751-08:002009-11-17T13:04:15.751-08:00Very interesting read, thanks for the neat and cle...Very interesting read, thanks for the neat and clear presentation :o)Sarayanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04972379878010641951noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-33228658519978976852009-11-17T10:12:08.370-08:002009-11-17T10:12:08.370-08:00Good post, I think it needs to be stated that no o...Good post, I think it needs to be stated that no one should be trying to max out all 4 caps at the same time as that is just not possible.<br /><br />With the information on gear that 3.3 has provided so far, it's very evident that ArP is starting to lose it's importance and with the introduction of the new 4pt10 (rakes can now crit) the appeal of stacking agility for crit is a lot higher. <br /><br />Finally expertise as a kitty kat is kind of a secondary stat. I've never placed too much value on it. The only expertise I carry is from items that are BiS for other stats on the item (arp, sockets etc).Vallenhttp://feralaggression.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-21703757209638473152009-11-17T08:29:15.350-08:002009-11-17T08:29:15.350-08:00Bravo! Thanks a bunch for sorting all that number ...Bravo! Thanks a bunch for sorting all that number mumbo-jumbo in one solid post!Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00902642999023161581noreply@blogger.com