tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post6359800232777255612..comments2023-10-03T03:48:35.523-07:00Comments on ThinkTank: [3.2] Tier rewards part the second - don't do this, please!Kalonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05193899462301079034noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-20379123906855412902009-07-14T07:32:57.370-07:002009-07-14T07:32:57.370-07:00Even as a casual raider I am aghast at this. I was...Even as a casual raider I am aghast at this. I was glad to finally get my rep grinds done, I am 8 bosses in to Ulduar, I don't have a ton of work to do in the game. But now? They don't want to just give the choice of getting gear faster, they want me to feel forced to do it. <br /><br />Giving the choice of getting emblems was probably enough incentive for people to go back. But this will make many feel forced to. So now "hardcore" will feel like they have to to compete, and "casual" will have to also put more hours in to get emblems just so they can spend their token.<br /><br />That sucks on so many levels.plutosdadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13236419805800673064noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-22009719417884816362009-07-10T23:19:31.871-07:002009-07-10T23:19:31.871-07:00The essential problem is that it creates a huge ri...The essential problem is that it creates a huge rift between no-lifers and hardcore raiders who simply carve out the needed time to run the 25man raids each day.<br /><br />Atm I raid around 20h of 25man raids and maybe 6-8h of 10man raids per week. My total playing time in the game? Maybe 30h per week.<br /><br />With this change I'd have to further increase my total playing time to be able to keep up with my guilds gearing curve.<br /><br />Not to mention the headache this means for gearing alts, essentially meaning my alts would never get around to getting t9 gear since there's never going to be a day when I have the time to do this kind of farming anew for a 2nd or 3rd toon, which again locks me(someone who "enjoys" switching chars at times as the guilds needs change) into playing only one char for the rest of WotLK.<br /><br />As it is my guild could decide they need another feral druid/resto druid/oomkin/enha shaman/ele shaman/resto shaman and simply ask me to jump over to my alt, run a couple weeks of 10/25mans with them and expect to be geared to the teeth by the time we're done. This allows returning players to be geared up fast, this allows new recruits to be geared up fast, this allows rerolls, it allows limited roster guilds to use alts to attempt ridiculous stacking hard modes(5 warlocks for alone in the darkness? seriously?)...in general it means the guild has more control over how to utilize their collective benefits from their raiding.<br /><br />I thought tier was supposed to be there to help ease transition between gear levels, to make sure there was more general gear so even if no leather caster loots dropped all run you could still bid on the tier piece, but apparently now waiting for the RNG to come up in your favour becomes the easiest way to get the next level of your gear...<br /><br />Because that's what this game needs. More RNG frustration...Shamadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18412957246927291161noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-36333707845108490212009-07-10T13:26:52.940-07:002009-07-10T13:26:52.940-07:00Seems bad to me too. I used to think it was bad ga...Seems bad to me too. I used to think it was bad game design giving hardcore raiders a valid reason to run ridiculously easy content (for them) in order to get gear upgrades. But, it wasnt that big a deal. <br /><br />This makes is a much bigger deal now. I'm all for casuals having access to gear, and yes, its great for my alts too. But why should the hardcore find that the fastest way to get amazing gear upgrades, is to go back to ashenvale and kill 400 foozles a week? its a terrible design. <br /><br />I too, wonder if wow has lost its shine. Technically its still beautiful and flawless relative to many other games. But I'm talking about it's spirit, it's heart. I'm also starting to care less and less, and as we've seen, when a game looses its edge for the leading minority, it starts to slowly fall into obscurity for everyone.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-8844985093101469202009-07-10T05:42:10.552-07:002009-07-10T05:42:10.552-07:00I agree completely, although the changes do make i...I agree completely, although the changes do make it absolutely laughable to gear up my Paladin alt in whatever I'd like. A week of heroics and 10 man Naxx? I'll have gear nearly as good as my Druid, whom I've been raiding on for...how many years?<br /><br />I realize that I'm going to sound like one of <i>those</i> assholes, but I'm starting to miss 40-man raid content. Why? Because when I earned a piece of gear after working on a boss for weeks on end, it felt like I had actually accomplished something grand. It was <i>fun</i> to be unique in that regard. <br /><br />Lately, game mechanics/class changes have oscillated so wildly from patch to patch that I'm having a hard time caring. I suppose you could say that the game is losing its shine.runycathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00540655599361720264noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-58816138231749472152009-07-09T23:21:24.785-07:002009-07-09T23:21:24.785-07:00Topher, I am playing the game for fun.
I don'...Topher, I am playing the game for fun.<br /><br />I don't think it's particularly fun to have to grind out badges to get to wear gear 'won' in 25-man raids. If you think that's fun, great for you. You're going to LOVE the new changes.<br /><br />I don't care about what the other people around me wear. Seriously, you have some huge problem with reading; I deliberately stated, flat out, that it would be great to have 10 and 25-man content each drop the same token. How is that classism? <br /><br />Here's the thing - what I'd like to do is be rewarded somewhat for running heroics. What I don't want is for heroics to be mandatory for me to earn 25-man gear at a reasonable pace.<br /><br />What I'd like is for everyone to be able to do their choice of 10 or 25-man content without feeling insanely pressured to do the other. What I don't want is for people in 25-man guilds who don't have the time to do both 10 and 25-man raids (and heroics) to feel completely left behind in gearing. <br /><br />As my wife said tonight, this solves all of the 'problems' that currently exist - no one doing heroics any more, gear imbalances, weird drop rates on tokens, etc. But it creates a whole slew of new ones.Kalonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05193899462301079034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-65604261052667156492009-07-09T21:44:30.137-07:002009-07-09T21:44:30.137-07:00OMG QQ!
aren't you playing this game for fun?...OMG QQ!<br /><br />aren't you playing this game for fun?<br /><br />Who cares what the guy beside you is wearing.<br /><br />Look at simple Macro economics, this game exists because millions of people pay 15$ a month.<br /><br />if you don't supply the masses with stuff, they will leave when the new shinney game comes along. which will ultimatly mean the top 5% hard core raiders, the 15% of raiders out there will be left with a "wtf , why do I play a game that adds nothing."<br /><br /><br />Seriously guys, if everyone's needs arent being met, no one is going to pay them to build new content.<br /><br /><br />OMG that Scrub is wearing the same thing as me. but you know what. he didnt have the same amount of fun either, he spent 500 run's into some heroic for his gear.<br /><br />You got to read the book.Topher/Menglorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16167979926345405978noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-13366429167010035012009-07-09T16:55:09.061-07:002009-07-09T16:55:09.061-07:00So, we have a system that both rewards casual non-...So, we have a system that both rewards casual non-raiders and pushes 25-man raiders into having to BOTH raid and run heroics just to stay ahead of the gearing curve?<br /><br />How screwed up is that?Lissannahttp://restokin.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-71485634778307892692009-07-09T16:04:11.076-07:002009-07-09T16:04:11.076-07:00Yeah, I don't like this at all.
If this is ho...Yeah, I don't like this at all.<br /><br />If this is how loot will be it could push me out of raiding altogether.<br /><br />I dunno, maybe this is the punishment for raid content without trash?Jacemorahttp://jacemora.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-14631839939953894212009-07-09T15:23:16.428-07:002009-07-09T15:23:16.428-07:00Ugh. I just realized that by far the fastest way t...Ugh. I just realized that by far the fastest way to get T9.25 gear if this system holds...is to get lucky on Koralon.<br /><br />That's horrible.<br /><br />Bulamis, that'd be fine too. I don't really honestly care; what I don't want is to essentially be forced into doing heroics in order to get tier content. That seems stupid.Kalonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05193899462301079034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-64404763921301561082009-07-09T14:52:06.806-07:002009-07-09T14:52:06.806-07:00Nice picture.
With the three levels it should rea...Nice picture.<br /><br />With the three levels it should really be easy for them to have.<br /><br />232 - Badges of Triumph - Tier for the Casualt<br /><br />245 - Trophy/Token Drop from 25 Normal and 10 man hard (no badges cost)<br /><br />258 - Hard 25 setBulamisnoreply@blogger.com