tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post3877628044299589427..comments2023-10-03T03:48:35.523-07:00Comments on ThinkTank: [Druid] The LFG system and being an elitist tankKalonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05193899462301079034noreply@blogger.comBlogger75125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-49477448881054841672011-01-15T03:24:01.049-08:002011-01-15T03:24:01.049-08:00I like your article and it really gives an outstan...I like your article and it really gives an outstanding idea that is very helpful for all the people on web.Inventory POS Systemhttp://www.blackitsoft.com/inventory-pos-software.aspxnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-69637703899155611402010-09-22T10:56:14.928-07:002010-09-22T10:56:14.928-07:00First off, I have a pretty good warrior tank that ...First off, I have a pretty good warrior tank that can easily blast through heroics, as our elitist Druid tank has described. Unless someone does something unusually obnoxious, rude or stupid, no one dies, no one gets kicked & the run is over in sub 30min. No drama, no need to be a jerk in most cases.<br /><br />I don't see the reason for the abusive & unfair treatment being dished out & the pre-madona attitude of many tanks in LFG.<br /><br />Sometimes it is the tanks fault when dps dies. <br /><br />* the tank pulls 2 or more packs of mobs & decides to only hold aggro on a few of them.<br /><br />* the party follows the tank through an area with wandering mobs. One gets pulled by proximity...and the princess tank refuses to take aggro because he did not "Explicitly" pull the mob. So he watches the mob rampage through the party.<br /><br />* In H UP an over-geared tank didn't get his Blue Proto Drake...pulled the next batch of mobs & left the group mid-pull. Causing the wipe...he's probably already starting the next heroic...we're dead & waiting our 15-20minutes for the next run...Thank you...what a Great Player!<br /><br />* Not to mention the number of times an Overgeared Tank will roll Need on a drop purely out of Greed when it's a big upgrade for another class.<br /><br />My way or the high way...great attitude... I love being the tank...but it really Sux to be Dps these days. You realize you're making the game un-fun for 3 out 5 of the players in the group? If you're not part of the solution you're part of the problem.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-13983554009455606132010-02-18T14:39:23.569-08:002010-02-18T14:39:23.569-08:00Great post! I'm a new tank, but even I recogni...Great post! I'm a new tank, but even I recognize the power that tanks (and healers) have. I can que up as a tank and have no wait. Que up as DPS and I can go cook dinner and have a cigarette while I wait. I don't think its that wrong to know your value. More DPS should learn to respect the tanks and healers and adjust from there. Its really not like it use to be where you needed lots of CC from the DPS classes. <br /><br />I just started my druid tank, and at level 30 I feel the same way as you do on heroics, and I'm still doing the vanilla instances. I always vote to kick if the dps think they need to pull things because they are going to slowly. If I take it slow it is because the healer isn't up to me pulling half a room. Or the worst, when they run away when they pull something I don't know about and get mad because 1) they pulled from another room, and 2) ran completely out of my LOS to help them even if i wanted to. Some people need to learn to set their focus or pull their targets from the tank. <br /><br />My main is a shaman healer, and I LOVE doing my frost run with "elitist" tanks. Half the time the tank and I are running far ahead of the dps, that stop to drink, or want to stop and chit chat. I am fully effective with 60% mana on a boss pull, and I have run with some bears in dps gear, HP doesn't mean anything but you have some gear.Fudgebrownynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-36115835852270200042010-01-20T23:05:58.359-08:002010-01-20T23:05:58.359-08:00I do agree on a lot of points here, not all. But h...I do agree on a lot of points here, not all. But how do you expect that if you start a vote kick, the person actually gets kicked indeed? What if your oh so nice healers do say No to that vote...?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-13126097625995611332010-01-13T17:25:32.165-08:002010-01-13T17:25:32.165-08:00Thank you - this brightend up my day when I first ...Thank you - this brightend up my day when I first read it, especially as I'd just quit from a group for the first time since the new system was implemented (Halls of Reflection: no-one responded to my question about where they would prefer to fight, a dps started the fight sequence and 3 players ingorned my request to get inside the room before the door closed. I decided there and then this was unlikely to be the sort of group to succeed in there!)<br /><br />I read this in a slightly tongue-in-cheek manner that I believed it to be written. I think the vast majority of tanks would count some of your points as pet hates - dps pulling on my behalf has to be my top annoyance. Respect your party and respect the instance seem to be the short version of the rules.<br /><br />I've found that knowing that the option to remove is sufficiently empowering to stop having to use it.<br /><br />I tend now to use tanking gear with dps trinkets for heroics. The fall in dps isn't that large and it saves the conflict about hps (then again my tanking set is my primary set so has better raw stats on it anyway).<br /><br />Keep up the good work, so I can continue to use the ideas for myself just like an unfocussed dpser leeches emblems of the back of a decent bear tank :)Untamednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-3701981288075671052010-01-12T11:48:26.624-08:002010-01-12T11:48:26.624-08:00I've read through this post a few times, and w...<i>I've read through this post a few times, and while I can't honestly argue about any fact or idea, the attitude of it astounds me. Why do you run this with pugs and not guildies? If no one measures up to your standards, find people who do and schedule your time with them? Blizzard doesn't care if you go in alone or with a group, as long as you select random. <br /><br />It seems to be that this would make you a lot happier and probably everyone that you group with would just as soon you do this as well.<br /><br />I'm overgeared for these on my druid as well, but I too often have to explain the fights to overgeared tanks when running on an alt that apparently wouldn't measure up to your standards. </i><br /><br />Grumpy, a few words.<br /><br />First, I don't have a lot of time. I log on for raids and usually log out shortly afterwards. I get to do heroics in the morning while getting ready for work or right after raid. My guildies aren't on a lot then either; many are in the same boat as I am. So yes, ideally I'd run more with the guild than not. But that doesn't happen, so I end up doing PuGs.<br /><br />Second, I'm not sure where you get the impression that no one measures up to my standards. I specifically stated multiple times how I don't care about the damage dealer's levels of DPS as long as they don't egregiously fuck up. I do look at the healer's gear so that I get a rough gauge of how fast I can go, but I've never thought about kicking one because they were undergeared. I do recommend to people that they do things like (for example) use Righteous Fury when tanking or go into defensive stance. <br /><br />Is that a horrible standard to hold people to?<br /><br />As to making people happy - the comments I get most of the time (if I get any) are on the order of this:<br />"That was the fastest CoT I've ever done"<br />"I've never seen a tank do that much damage"<br />And mostly: "thanks for a fast smooth run".<br /><br />Most of the time things are silent and quick and efficient. It's when DPS try to get cute and pull bosses ahead of me or decide they'd rather make racial slurs than fight something that I have problems.Kalonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05193899462301079034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-58791490911729589972010-01-12T09:31:47.033-08:002010-01-12T09:31:47.033-08:00Well said! I too have been getting more and more ...Well said! I too have been getting more and more idiots in pugs lately and have started vote-kicking them. I hate to be a jerk but it is the only way they will learn (at least I hope) as well as the only way for me to keep my sanity.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-12996778643866710932010-01-09T22:24:51.910-08:002010-01-09T22:24:51.910-08:00Most of my toons are well-geared tanks and healers...Most of my toons are well-geared tanks and healers as well, so I understand this and can sympathize. <br /><br />Regardless, however, if you really do treat people in WoW with such callousness as this post suggests, karma will still bite you in the rear eventually, whether you realize it or not.Baknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-34687516232354582412010-01-08T13:16:20.093-08:002010-01-08T13:16:20.093-08:00I've read through this post a few times, and w...I've read through this post a few times, and while I can't honestly argue about any fact or idea, the attitude of it astounds me. Why do you run this with pugs and not guildies? If no one measures up to your standards, find people who do and schedule your time with them? Blizzard doesn't care if you go in alone or with a group, as long as you select random. <br /><br />It seems to be that this would make you a lot happier and probably everyone that you group with would just as soon you do this as well.<br /><br />I'm overgeared for these on my druid as well, but I too often have to explain the fights to overgeared tanks when running on an alt that apparently wouldn't measure up to your standards.Grumpynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-37244433629560635332010-01-07T09:19:05.079-08:002010-01-07T09:19:05.079-08:00Do you have rage problems with your bear spec on t...<i>Do you have rage problems with your bear spec on the 5-mans? Why run 5-man without Maul glyph?</i><br /><br />I run 5 mans with a maul glyph. I have a stack of maul and growl glyphs and swap them as necessary. You just saw me when I had swapped to growl. :)<br /><br />As to 5-mans, I won't lie to you: I hate the spec for it. It's a very good MT spec as rage is almost never an issue, but for dealing with adds or dealing with multiple mobs or (especially) when you overgear the content, it's really meh. It's like fighting through molasses. Every swipe costs 20. If you don't get enough crits, it's horrible and you lose mauls. <br /><br />I'll be switching back to a more normal build since we got insanity, I think.Kalonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05193899462301079034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-30104884258888823572010-01-06T12:57:34.868-08:002010-01-06T12:57:34.868-08:00I think a lot of people missed the point. I loath...I think a lot of people missed the point. I loathe tanking heroics on my druid who needs NOTHING from them (also pushing 300 triumph emblems), but in order to be a good raider and get my tier gear to help the guild, I gotta do these heroics every day. Like you, I am in this to get the heroic done in 15 minutes. I have RL stuff and guild officer duties to attend to, and I want my heroics to go as quickly as humanly possible.<br /><br />I don't have time to type in chat because I am mashing my swipe key too hard, chain pulling, and innervating the healer whenever I get the chance. If that makes me a cold, elitist jerk, so be it.<br /><br />If people want 5 man achievements, I recommend they form a group on their own server in LFG/trade chat rather than just joining a random heroic. I don't think half of them even understand how achievements like Less-Rabi and the Voids work.<br /><br />I know of some people who abuse the vote kick system (basically get 3 people in on it and troll people), but that's rare. You can't even vote kick someone until the 15 min dungeon CD is up.Lizhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06669903995750611550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-76906124464628174442010-01-06T05:33:18.823-08:002010-01-06T05:33:18.823-08:00As a Holy Priest Healer that can easily keep up wi...As a Holy Priest Healer that can easily keep up with such a well-geared tank, all I can say is that I wish I could be in your party every day. It would be a dream come true :p Your points are valid and even fair, IMO. The strange thing is that, as a healer, I actually feel the same way about a lot of things. It's nice to know that, out there, is someone who actually does understand how end-game players *should* probably all be thinking.Anatheranoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-11999034832504028612010-01-05T10:15:33.143-08:002010-01-05T10:15:33.143-08:00I want this tank to slap me in the face with their...I want this tank to slap me in the face with their epeen. That was a rant on par with Gordon Geco from Wallstreet or one of those HOO-WAH speeches Al Pacino gives in his movies. "Yeah, Eff you, you little dps loozoors!" No "Ms. Congeniality" for this one. Bravo!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-66471373584962056932010-01-02T19:13:43.311-08:002010-01-02T19:13:43.311-08:00Reposted on MMO-Champ Needed to be spread around...Reposted on MMO-Champ Needed to be spread around the internets... don't worry... I gave credit.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12048217759790628373noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-82086415138385142522009-12-30T22:12:40.367-08:002009-12-30T22:12:40.367-08:00Do you have rage problems with your bear spec on t...Do you have rage problems with your bear spec on the 5-mans? Why run 5-man without Maul glyph?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-34428987777076111502009-12-30T10:12:48.957-08:002009-12-30T10:12:48.957-08:00Coldbear - I respect your talents and your passion...Coldbear - I respect your talents and your passion, and I think you've done a great deal for the community. At the same time, you're telling me that I don't have a right to say 'no, I don't want to do that achievement' or vote to kick someone because they wiped a heroic due to their pulling 5 mobs and a boss ahead of us or because they thought harpoons were a rare drop on UP and wanted to sell them. <br /><br />Both of those things have happened to me. <br /><br />I admit that the post came off as me being a bit jerky, and it was emotionally driven. However, it isn't like I'm kicking people for suggesting to do achievements. I simply say 'no'. The important point here is that I don't want to waste my time more than I have to. Other people might, and more power to them - but for me, it means that I want to get in, do as little as possible and leave. And yes, that means I don't usually want to do hard achievements or wait 20 minutes for someone to do all their questing or whatever. If you feel that's bad, that's your choice; I personally think it's insulting to think that your time is more valuable than 4 other people's and assume the other 4 should just accept it. <br /><br />My assumption is that everyone's time is very valuable and my goal is to maximize the value of their time.<br /><br />I also think that it's pretty easy to tell when someone fucks up but genuinely didn't mean to and someone is being a deliberate dick because they think it's fun or don't care or whatever. I've run thousands of dungeons with hundreds of different people at this point; it's not hard to be able to spot the difference.<br /><br />Also, when I started out 'back in the day' I still had done my research, I asked questions if I was unclear and I played cautiously. I don't see why this is such a horrible expectation of others.<br /><br />Ultimately I can't control what you take out of my post. I will say this: it's hugely great for my sanity that I have the actual power to not have to deal with this kind of crap if it comes up. It is downright liberating to be able to deal with negative behavior by actually punishing said behavior in a way that has consequences. Instead of telling people to knock it off or simply ignoring the person, I can actually make them lose valuable time.Kalonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05193899462301079034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-87383970841956019622009-12-29T21:25:39.283-08:002009-12-29T21:25:39.283-08:00Great post, and I agree with almost all of it. Unf...Great post, and I agree with almost all of it. Unfortunately, some DPS are too dumb to realize they have a good thing going and will kick you before you get the chance to do the same to them.<br /><br />I was doing H FoS for the Needle Encrusted Scorpion (My Mirror of Truth was waaaay outdated) and being a similarly geared feral tank to you, I was rocking nearly 40% of the damage, chain pulling, all that fun stuff. We got to the Spectral Wardens near the end and to avoid an inevitable face pull, I pulled the patrolling one outside of the tunnel to Devourer of Souls. The hunter, apparently oblivious to what I was doing, facepulled the other Warden which I picked up right away. We ended up wiping, due to lack of a decurser and a slightly undergeared healer, and right after the hunter asks... "y would u pull that one". I explained my reasoning, and proceeded to get kicked.<br /><br />Yes - I, the main tank and group leader got kicked by the dime-a-dozen hunter who could barely sustain 2500 DPS (In almost full t9 gear) for having the audacity to pull a (technically unnecessary) mob that the hunter didn't want to kill.Trewylfnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-30044197453081985342009-12-29T21:04:54.826-08:002009-12-29T21:04:54.826-08:00well, us halfway competent tanks who overgear inst...well, us halfway competent tanks who overgear instances are in control now and I guess people should bow to you and be "obedient" to your will and every whim<br /><br />Personally I haven't quite yet forgotten where I came from - you seem to have - and still have a bit of room for patience if someone asks about an inconvenient achievement because I too was that new guy once upon a time way back when.<br /><br />You admit this situation is unfair but you will votekick anyone who makes a mistake if you might think even for a second that it was idiotic.<br /><br />People never die because of you - you mean you never make mistakes? Ok, I guess your **** don't stink. For all your knowledge of mechanics and gear you can really piss off and the world of warcraft would be a better place.<br /><br />You're willing to ALLOW me to complete quests? Gee thanks - that's so nice of you to let me do that in YOUR dungeon.<br /><br />How about you just tone it down a bit and it would actually be a good article - instead of just losing my respect because you're writing like a straight-up ***hole?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-51268750971771579422009-12-29T09:29:39.034-08:002009-12-29T09:29:39.034-08:00Dude, after read this 'elitist' stuff i ju...Dude, after read this 'elitist' stuff i just realize im over polite and over patient with all these idiotic dps's u talk about...<br /><br />Indeed, tank & healers need more respect nowadays, and every dps should try to dont get cocky everytime they steal aggro in the most easy-tupidiest way.<br /><br />Thx to you, im gonna be more proud of my rol as a tank, and thx to you im gonna put the plain rules on the table...BearTank.mxhttp://www.rompemadres.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-59420515958876921972009-12-29T08:56:04.282-08:002009-12-29T08:56:04.282-08:00coldbear - errr, what? You'll have no sympathy...coldbear - errr, what? You'll have no sympathy when what? The racist asshats are in control and I meekly have to succumb to bigoted slurs in order to get my emblems?<br /><br />Okay. <br /><br />I don't have a lot of sympathy for DPS who decide that they'd like to tank. I don't have a lot of sympathy for those who throw a fit because I refuse to do Lessrabi. So it goes. <br /><br />And no, I don't post a 6000 word instruction every time I tank a LFD. These are things that I assume people are going to know, and if they don't...that's fine. They'll learn. <br /><br />You are right that most of the time I'm better off grouping with guildies and getting it done that way, and most of the time I try to do exactly that. My guild and my time are a bit different than others, in that I don't play wow 4 hours a night and can't always find a group to do the daily. <br /><br />I'm not quite sure why you're so angry about this, but I can't control that.Kalonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05193899462301079034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-46513994922425368162009-12-29T08:32:18.828-08:002009-12-29T08:32:18.828-08:00you have no sympathy for others now, and I will ha...you have no sympathy for others now, and I will have no sympathy for you if the time ever comes<br /><br /><br />...assuming you're not telling people all these rules ahead of time. and if all you want is your two frost emblems a day, you're better off getting a few guildies or server friends to come with you and 99% of all the **** you're so upset and whining about won't happenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-35985896017220279912009-12-29T02:48:41.870-08:002009-12-29T02:48:41.870-08:00"i do this because i can" says only some..."i do this because i can" says only someone who usually doesnt do what he wants.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-3111014530061956762009-12-28T14:59:17.774-08:002009-12-28T14:59:17.774-08:00Thank you, Kalon, I vastly enjoyed this post. It ...Thank you, Kalon, I vastly enjoyed this post. It takes a lot more effort, research, and time to be good tank than other roles for a 5-man, as the shortage of tanks, especially good tanks, shows. Most of the time groups expect tanks to be the strong players and the leaders, and many tanks oblige. So it makes me indignant when some bouncy lolkid comes in unprepared and almost useless to the group and then proceeds to waste my group's time as I am tanking. If I put up with carrying him or her, then s/he should have the courtesy to fall in line. It's a simple and fair trade off, and not ruining anybody's fun if they follow this unspoken agreement. There is no reason for good tanks, or good players of any role, to martyr themselves and put up with terrible play for the 'fun' of some rude or inconsiderate person, which anyone doing the things on Kalon's list would be termed. A kick is perfectly reasonable, and I don't understand people like the Anonymous claiming Kalon is elitist. If anything he's doing the bad players a favor and perhaps making them consider devoting some time to playing better so they have a chance feel good about having competitive dps/heals/whatever or to find better groups and raids before they make it onto their server's mental do-not-group-with-that-guy list.<br /><br />This post is also therapeutic to all the tanks out there, frustrated with carrying ungrateful and under geared folks. It keeps them from giving up tanking outside the guild and and only pugging with that alt #25 dps in greens while watching tv and afk'ing every 3 seconds, then running into a boss with no idea even what instance they're in, since that seems to be acceptable for a dps, and anyone who says otherwise is 'elitist.' It is not acceptable and should not be encouraged, and a swift kick is to the benefit of all, even the one being kicked if s/he can learn something from it. Also, remember that it is a vote to kick now, so obviously whoever was disruptive enough to Kalon's way of running was also killing the mood for the rest of the group.<br /><br />Now I am with Kalon in that I kick far fewer than I want to rant about, so I don't see how doing this charity work is to be frowned upon. And it is charity work, in a fair world each dps healer and tank would pull their weight equally, instead of some groups where I am tanking, topping the dps meter, and rezing the healer after he gets back online from a dc that lasted most of the 15 minute run. I don't point out every thing the people under-performing are doing wrong, in fact I am usually happy to make small talk or offer constructive suggestions, so the proper response would be to follow my lead and not give me any trouble. Sounds more than fair to me, and I follow this set up when on my dps characters. I don't even give mediocre tanks a piece of my mind, with whom I constantly have to use aggro dumps, maybe kite around or have a pet tank a bit just to stay alive -- as long as the tank moves and produces some sort of threat I am willing to put up with it because they fill a rare role. I would be happy to have Kalon as a tank any day and I'd have lots of fun just being a part of his smooth functioning team. Moral of the story is go hug a tank today so maybe there will be more of them to run with our dps alts. Thanks again, Kalon, for a wonderful post!Aralainnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-41463449286206121982009-12-28T13:38:49.617-08:002009-12-28T13:38:49.617-08:00ia - demon soul:
"This is a non-issue and if ...ia - demon soul:<br />"This is a non-issue and if you are losing patience then that problem is with you not the DPS.<br />"<br />No, it's not. When the DPS is pulling another group of mobs while I'm tanking a group, it's not a non-issue. When they're pulling bosses, it's not a non-issue. When they claim it wasn't them, it's ALSO not a non-issue. These all happened to me recently and were a result of a retarded DPS who felt that we could go faster and decided to press the issue. Well..guess what - it takes time to res you too. <br /><br />"Why even say it. It seems petty" <br />you're calling me petty for saying I don't like loot whores? Yikes.<br /><br />"Aside from running full ahead and trying to pull the whole instance I think this is near impossible for dps to do with the gear you have on. "<br /><br />And yet DPS still try and do exactly that. Your near impossibility has happened to me at least twice since LFD. Maybe I'm unlucky. Or, given the popularity of this post - maybe I'm speaking to something that's happening quite often. <br /><br />"Another impossibility. DPS can chat about exploits all they want but in every case the Tank can just ignore it and run in and run the fight how they want. No need to kick over this. This one is super petty."<br /><br />You'd think that, but you'd be wrong. There are enough fights that require people to be on the same page that it can require everyone to be doing the strategy as written. For instance, HoR is much harder when one person stays behind Arthas while everyone else runs ahead due to the DPS requirements. If the DPS chooses to be a dick about it, they most certainly can. <br /><br />"Kick them over this? Jesus how hard it is to type "healer and I worked it out...we will go faster with me in dps gear" "<br /><br />It's much harder when they won't shut up about it and continue to complain and eventually pull some mobs to express their anger at me for not complying with their wishes. Again, something that happened to me. <br /><br />"There are maybe 4 instances in which you have to explain anything. And they are easy to explain. "<br /><br />Yes, they are. But at the same time - the expansion has been out for more than a year now. How unreasonable is it to assume everyone understands the instances now and what they're supposed to do? I can spend the minute explaining during a fight, but that goes against that whole 'gogogo' mentality. And 99% of the time it's redundant.<br /><br />So why is it such a burden to have the person who is unclear actually SAY SO? You're saying that it's better for people who don't know what they're doing to never say anything and hope that someone graces them with the information they need? That's weak. Sorry. I'm happy to explain to folks when they need to know how to do something what to do, but I don't want to have to do it every time I run Oculus 13 months after the expansion's launched. I mean - were you explaining how SHalls worked when Sunwell hit and you were on a pug?Kalonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05193899462301079034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-69998638316666346742009-12-28T13:38:45.727-08:002009-12-28T13:38:45.727-08:00"It's really a very pointless rant though..."It's really a very pointless rant though, because like you say yourself you have only kicked two people, it's kinda hard to see why that would merit the need to come up with a impressive 20 Rules That Will Get You Kicked list, it just feels needlessly arrogant. In a 'I'm actually much nicer and completely reasonable, not like this harsh post implies, I just need to posture a bit'. Shrug."<br /><br />Kobold (and others who said as much) - that's a reasonable point. I was in an annoyed mood when I had to kick some one and then came to a realization that I don't actually have to put up with nearly as much crap as I used to - and now, I actually have a viable tool that I can use so that I don't have to. That was pretty liberating. <br /><br />I'm probably a mix of the two things. I'm likely not quite as bad as this list says, but I'm also most certainly less saintly than I may have let on. I do get annoyed with DPS who don't know mechanics and can't do things like hit their big shiny timestop button. But most of the time I say 'please someone hit timestop on the enrage' and try Oculus again. <br /><br />Actually, scratch that; most of the time I'm with at least one or two other guildies and they're in a competition to see whether or not the healer from guild can out DPS the rest of the group.Kalonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05193899462301079034noreply@blogger.com