tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post3567055933109066521..comments2023-10-03T03:48:35.523-07:00Comments on ThinkTank: [Druid] Icecrown gear list for bearsKalonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05193899462301079034noreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-28792664525871332622010-10-24T03:44:27.738-07:002010-10-24T03:44:27.738-07:00Since the 4.0.1 patch, how does the gear stack up ...Since the 4.0.1 patch, how does the gear stack up now with the stat changes. I've not come across a website yet that goes into depth like you guys do.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-19687772179721223732010-07-16T17:54:44.596-07:002010-07-16T17:54:44.596-07:00With the buff in icc stam is the way to go unless ...With the buff in icc stam is the way to go unless you need 1 gem to make the meta turn on. Stam scales very well beating out every other stat.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-54256346993028013982010-07-09T18:50:38.778-07:002010-07-09T18:50:38.778-07:00im a bear tank with full 264 gear i gem agility an...im a bear tank with full 264 gear i gem agility and stam pretty equally. is that a good way to go now? a few people have been telling me that geming agility is retarded.. WTF am i missing something here?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-42111856118945821432010-07-07T08:03:27.350-07:002010-07-07T08:03:27.350-07:00How do the new items now available from Ruby Sanct...How do the new items now available from Ruby Sanctum in 3.3.5. affect this BiS list? Anyone run the numbers yet?Bennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-24066328413752430272010-07-06T02:04:56.451-07:002010-07-06T02:04:56.451-07:00HEY! i know this is all in the players play style ...HEY! i know this is all in the players play style but me being the stamjunkie i and i yous my stats accordingly i use +30 stam in every socket because i failed at leveling JC the for my meta i used 32stam and the 2% armor increse b/c i vote armor is 2nd best stat next to stam for a druid the third stat i stack is a agility because agility accounts for so much as a druid it is a close third it is the gem i use to allow my socket bonus to work. i hope this helped some of youdanny devitonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-13404115452466344272010-07-06T01:57:43.421-07:002010-07-06T01:57:43.421-07:00he ranked ckutch of forticication higher b/c of ar...he ranked ckutch of forticication higher b/c of armor contribution off of itdanny devitonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-52662000104825699382010-05-27T21:43:18.474-07:002010-05-27T21:43:18.474-07:00Why do you rate the Clutch of Fortification over t...Why do you rate the Clutch of Fortification over the Harbringers?(BOE ICC drop)Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15895884288956352622noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-33615277283825132222010-05-15T23:33:11.244-07:002010-05-15T23:33:11.244-07:00FOr the orther of changin T10 Pieces Its better to...FOr the orther of changin T10 Pieces Its better to left Hands and Legs at last as they are dropped from VOA. And if you go VOA 25 you can get the Heroic version of the T10. I got 264 legs and gloves that wayAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-75957481080299167932010-02-20T08:24:58.846-08:002010-02-20T08:24:58.846-08:00In the same time LW 102-40= 62 gain so they r all ...In the same time LW 102-40= 62 gain so they r all preaty much per par + - a very little bit and the question is:<br />Does a gain of 60 stamina justifies the investment in lvling a new profession...?<br /><br />On the expertize fact if you get the sack of wanders and the boots will preaty much cover it all that you need and if you want more there is 10exp15stam for a + agility socket bonus and some food.<br /><br />On the hit part the bracers from anub heroic r preaty sweet and Cryptmaker is a very decent weapon that will preaty much hit cap you.<br /><br />Bottom line is all is a taste matter as how you want your intemization to be hit capped or not expertize is preaty nailed in and not much that you can do about it while hit has options...<br /><br />Anyways thats the way i see things.<br /><br />Kind regards Atu.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-31653495048567566742010-02-12T20:10:35.972-08:002010-02-12T20:10:35.972-08:00They both really shouldn't be.
Expertise soft...They both really shouldn't be.<br /><br />Expertise soft cap is easy to hit with the availability of the helm+BoE chest. After soft cap, expertise is worth on average roughly 50% of dodge rating in terms of speed of attacks avoided from parries over the course of a fight, based on the available bosses swing timer. For example paladins it would be a much higher (~80% on average)comparison, but for druids its a non issue: expertise is pretty properly valued.<br /><br />The hit cap is 8% (263), not 9%. The only time threat is sensitive is in the initial pull, which is offset with tricks/mds. Threat modifiers are so high right now that you don't need to be anywhere near the hit cap to hold threat on competitive dps. For fights where a taunt cannot miss, you should be switching to glyph of growl (coincidentally, glyph of maul will likely get you in trouble on one of those tank switch fights, and do little good on the others).<br /><br />The relative value of hit doesn't increase simply because it isn't available on tier... it's a value relative to our baseline: Agility. Case in point: if you get more than 263 hit, each point after is wasted itemization. Hit food and a vivid gem or two are more than enough to cover any discrepancies in the current content.<br /><br />Stamina wise, Enchanting is 30 per ring, not 40.<br />LW+JC = 102+(34-20)x3=165<br />LW+En = 102+30x2=162Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04538487086815485440noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-60551778454528867352010-02-11T19:54:11.840-08:002010-02-11T19:54:11.840-08:00Hit and Expertise should be higher than defense!
...Hit and Expertise should be higher than defense!<br /><br />Normally bears are defense capped through talents and while defense does give us some dodge and miss, expertise and hit are more important for threat and stopping bosses from dodging your hits and parrying.<br /><br />Since most bears will never be expertise capped its always more valued than hit, and while hit may not be as valuable to cat's its essential to bears.<br /><br />Simple put t10 doesn't have enough hit on it for the 9% that we need, you end up with around 7% depending on gear you grab. <br /><br />As a tank used to having 9+% I can tell you it does make a big difference when its below the mark, especially with taunt fights.<br /><br />Again threat is a big issue now while tanking these bosses with people who are higher gear level than you the extra threat you get from these stats makes it easier overall.<br /><br />Stamina wise best skills for a bear tank are LW + Enchanting - 102 on bracers + 40 +40 on rings = 182. (LW + JW = 165 from what I can tell) I am sure you can find a JW trinket that will give a ton of stam but most people are using drops from bosses.<br /><br />So you guys need to point that out.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-47456455073889205162010-02-08T08:03:57.054-08:002010-02-08T08:03:57.054-08:00Thanks very much for taking the time to figure tha...Thanks very much for taking the time to figure that out for me. Nice to see the comparison.Maxiviknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-45247186199981103312010-02-08T07:18:20.988-08:002010-02-08T07:18:20.988-08:00Apply Kalon's numbers to the Wrathful gear you...Apply Kalon's numbers to the Wrathful gear you get:<br /><br />Chest: 106.11 (#5)<br />Feet: 72.61 (#5)<br />Hands: 75.01 (#5)<br />Head: 102.84 (#3)<br />Legs: 104.84 (#5)<br />Shoulder: 77.38 (#4)<br />Waist: 71.19 (#5)<br />Wrist: 50.53 (#5)<br /><br />The jewelry isn't even worth the comparison. It looks like the pvp gear slightly edges out the normal tier piece for piece, but the 4pc bonus is solid and the offtier chest blows everything else out of the water.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04538487086815485440noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-38939106639921053122010-02-07T20:50:44.142-08:002010-02-07T20:50:44.142-08:00I was wondering where the new Wrathful gear would ...I was wondering where the new Wrathful gear would stack up?Maxiviknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-42946777665504316832010-02-04T16:31:39.703-08:002010-02-04T16:31:39.703-08:00To anyone still following this, new BiS weapon... ...To anyone still following this, new BiS weapon... http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=50735<br /><br />Based on his point values it edges heroic Bloodfall out slightly. Not on wowhead yet.<br /><br />God I miss checking this daily.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04538487086815485440noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-16799271723110227472010-01-08T12:36:37.660-08:002010-01-08T12:36:37.660-08:00A lot of the ToGC gear holds up really well even c...A lot of the ToGC gear holds up really well even compared to the ICC stuff. That will be nice in that as I upgrade my cat gear, my old cat gear will serve as upgrades to my bear set.Cainmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-30496032425700945002010-01-05T15:31:52.972-08:002010-01-05T15:31:52.972-08:00I'm happy because you confirm what I tought :)...I'm happy because you confirm what I tought :)<br /><br />I reroll bear tank a few month ago and reading your blog is very helpful. <br /><br />Thanks again for your great work.wakantankanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-20188292258158818022010-01-05T12:42:48.907-08:002010-01-05T12:42:48.907-08:00I guess I should've stated that I MT so I almo...I guess I should've stated that I MT so I almost never DPS hence the reason why I decided to use the Ashen ring for tanking, even though I think the proc is absolutely terrible due to the ICD it has. I should also state that I do not try to hit cap unless I can have a MINIMUM 40 Expertise =)<br /><br />Mind you I did overlook Band of the Bone Colossus as a potential ring to use for hit...my bad.<br /><br />- Karalynn of VANQUISHKaralynnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-3716135255105797472010-01-05T11:34:54.177-08:002010-01-05T11:34:54.177-08:00bananator - in general, yes I do; I favor a more b...bananator - in general, yes I do; I favor a more balanced set than a rawrstamina set, and armor is part of that. But it gives me an idea for a post, so I'll save it for that.<br /><br />wakantanka - 155 is enough hit + glyph of growl + misery to give growl no chance to miss, so I'm okay with that. If you really want higher hit (because of threat) you'll have to look to other jewelry pieces, I think. I'd rather do that on jewelry than on the cloak mostly because I think it'll be easier to obtain different pieces, but that's just me. <br /><br />I would definitely NOT use the Ashen Band; the DPS version is a very good ring for cats, but the tanking version's proc is utterly horrible. Try to get more hit via the neck instead. <br /><br />Also I personally favor going for more expertise than hit when I get a choice, primarily because it has a side effect of reducing my damage intake much of the time.<br /><br />Frick - I knew I forgot something. I'll add it in a bit. The Idol of the Crying Moon is situationally excellent; it's a 60+ agility gain over the Corruptor idol, which is great. The issue is simply whether or not you can keep a lacerate stack up on the boss. It does take a few seconds to build, and that can be not as great. For example on Marrowgar, it's not nearly as good; by the time you've built the stack up he's almost ready to do a bone storm. Same with the Gunship. But on Deathwhisper or Saurfang, while you're not directly tanking him you can keep it up, so it should rock. Same goes for Festergut and Rotface. For me personally I'll be getting it after I get 4pT10 (or 5 for bear & cat, most like) and one of the cloaks.Kalonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05193899462301079034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-39999247296417290782010-01-05T10:58:31.902-08:002010-01-05T10:58:31.902-08:00I may not be Kalon but I'll dish out a couple ...I may not be Kalon but I'll dish out a couple opinions on the BiS set.<br /><br />Wakantanka - I will be using the Royal Crimson Cloak over the Sentinel's Winter Cloak as well as the Ashen Band of Endless Courage over Band/Loop of the Twin Val'kyr so that I am able to make the hit cap because I am a threat monster.<br /><br />Frick - From what I've seen so far the Idol of the Crying Moon is much better for tanking than the Idol of the Corruptor for almost every fight because you can generally keep Lacerate applied throughout the fight. I wouldn't spend any Emblems of Frost on it until after you get 4pc T10 though.<br /><br />- Karalynn of VANQUISHKaralynnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-73608733215917998972010-01-05T06:38:11.501-08:002010-01-05T06:38:11.501-08:00Hi Kalon,
Thanks so much for updating this. It&...Hi Kalon,<br /> Thanks so much for updating this. It's my new Bear Bible!<br /><br />I was wondering, where would you prioritize emblem of frost Idol? Is the 226 Idol of the Corruptor still the best for tanking?<br /><br />Thanks again for all your hard work!Fricknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-81652243504440071222010-01-05T02:01:14.391-08:002010-01-05T02:01:14.391-08:00Hi kalon and thanks for the ranking.
I have a que...Hi kalon and thanks for the ranking.<br /><br />I have a question. When I calculate the hit which is on the BIS, I find a very little hit score (155). <br /><br />But for threat it is so mportant to get the cap.<br /><br />So do you think that the piece with a ton of armor is still better than the piece with hit ? I think especially to ring and neck. <br /><br />ps : english is not my native langage, sorry for the mistakes.wakantankanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-34345892359043806002010-01-04T21:08:18.364-08:002010-01-04T21:08:18.364-08:00Hey Kalon,
I noticed that rings and amulets with ...Hey Kalon,<br /><br />I noticed that rings and amulets with armour are still placed very high on the lists. <br /><br />Do you reckon it is worthwhile to forfeit the large chunks of stamina for the armour boosts especially seeing how several fights in ICC appear to have lots of elemental damage flying around.<br /><br />Thanks in advance.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07191430354296416295noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-2382763245556961252010-01-04T15:21:10.785-08:002010-01-04T15:21:10.785-08:00I guess, Darksend - but I'd hardly consider sp...I guess, Darksend - but I'd hardly consider spending DKP on an unidentifiable organ or Fang as blowing it. It's going to be good for a while, at least as long as you're not doing heroics. <br /><br />And yeah, lifeforce - we've talked about it before. Not sure whatever came of it. <br /><br />Anon - I'm not really that big on hit, but if you're losing the T9 helm you're losing a boatload of expertise. If hit's a really big concern I'd keep the boots and belt from ToGC. I guess if you're really worried you can not go with the gloves first, but you're going to have to grab them at some point.Kalonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05193899462301079034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-37847665998291248592010-01-04T15:00:14.100-08:002010-01-04T15:00:14.100-08:00The T9 gloves have hit, the T10 does not. I mysel...The T9 gloves have hit, the T10 does not. I myself am not keen on getting the gloves early until I can compensate for the hit loss. My order is <br />- Sack as early as possible<br />- T10 shoulders<br />- T10 helm<br />(wait for Sack)<br />- T10 gloves/legs<br /><br />Acornbrain/ScillaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com