tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post2971546169992100656..comments2023-10-03T03:48:35.523-07:00Comments on ThinkTank: [Druid] Cat FAQ for 3.0.2/WotLKKalonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05193899462301079034noreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-32990365688413128102008-12-27T11:43:00.000-08:002008-12-27T11:43:00.000-08:00Mongoose is an awesome enchant at 80 in raid, I ca...Mongoose is an awesome enchant at 80 in raid, I can tell you because I've been shredding face with it for a while. Not only is the agi proc awesome for AP and crit, the haste can give from 1-2 extra OoC procs PER time that mongoose procs, which you should know is a fairly large dps increase in the long run.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-41124171281610553552008-12-10T01:31:00.000-08:002008-12-10T01:31:00.000-08:00I can definitely attest to the 2t4 issue.. I was s...I can definitely attest to the 2t4 issue.. I was still keeping up (and staying in the lead in fact) with my 5 man group all the way up to 79. As soon as I hit 80 (still wearing 2t4), I started getting creamed. <BR/><BR/>Now i know what the problem was, and now i know i need to toss the t4. thanks for the posts.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-72019266386920457732008-12-04T14:04:00.000-08:002008-12-04T14:04:00.000-08:00Ah, terribly sorry for misunderstanding. I was lo...Ah, terribly sorry for misunderstanding. I was looking for a solo/5-man spec and didn't realize this was intended for end game raiding. I kinda skimmed over a lotta stuff here. Thanks for correcting my misunderstanding. <BR/><BR/>I actually took the points out of infected wounds, which I find mostly useless for what I'm doing. I haven't had to chase anything down yet (because they die so fast with those 3k crit Bites), and I don't notice any changes with a slower weapon speed. I realize that would help in raid, though.<BR/><BR/>Thanks for the compilation, again.<BR/><BR/>GreenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-67811237052495572052008-12-04T00:55:00.000-08:002008-12-04T00:55:00.000-08:00Anon - thanks for coming by.I agree - for soloing ...Anon - thanks for coming by.<BR/><BR/>I agree - for soloing imp lotp is a godsend. Hugely useful. It's great in PvP, and it's even decent in 5-mans and okay, ish, in 10-mans. But as a raid buff it's really not necessary, and that's what this is aimed at. It does basically nothing in a raid for your dps - and imp mangle does more often than not.Kalonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05193899462301079034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-48966728268581608822008-12-03T21:53:00.000-08:002008-12-03T21:53:00.000-08:00I have to totally disagree with not taking Improve...I have to totally disagree with not taking Improved Leader of the Pack. <BR/><BR/>I used more or less what you have including leaving off the leader of ILotP for my soloing spec and I was wondering what the heck I was doing wrong because I had to heal all the time. I put it back in and I NEVER have to stop and heal. Really! It's that good! Without, it was like every third fight. I can slam through them quicker with it. <BR/><BR/>Other than that, it looks nice. Like I said, more or less what I use. Interesting blog and points made, thank you. I really like the parts you dug up about rotations, and I appreciate you doing so. I would have otherwise ignored FB which turns out to be really wonderful.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-49999072074667077572008-11-26T09:05:00.000-08:002008-11-26T09:05:00.000-08:00Hey, Willowbear, thanks for coming by. :)That's a ...Hey, Willowbear, thanks for coming by. :)<BR/><BR/>That's a tough question that's really going to be dictated more by your other gear than anything else, but basically think about it this way: 2pT4 is going to be roughly a 5-8% of your DPS at level 70. This will decrease linearly until you get to level 80. So at level 75, you're going to be looking at a 2-4% DPS boost. <BR/><BR/>If you can replace your pieces such that you get a 2-4% DPS boost, I'd do it then. Personally I ended up replacing it early not because of optimal DPS, but because I wanted to get used to the rotation and feel without the extra energy regeneration. Kind of weaning myself off, if you will. :) I would certainly start replacing it by level 77, as by then the bonus is going to be so inconsistent that it'll be meaningless.Kalonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05193899462301079034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-45682516580776990712008-11-26T09:01:00.000-08:002008-11-26T09:01:00.000-08:00I see that at 70 the 2pT4 bonus is good, but at 80...I see that at 70 the 2pT4 bonus is good, but at 80 it is worthless. At what point between 70 and 80 does breaking it for a green/blue upgrade become worth it?<BR/><BR/>WillowbearAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-76101880342471001962008-11-22T14:00:00.000-08:002008-11-22T14:00:00.000-08:00As I said i'm not going to socket or enchant for h...As I said i'm not going to socket or enchant for haste, as said it's more of a "nice to have" thing but not something i'm going to stack. And at the moment i'm finding very, very few leather pieces with strength on them, but my personal preference is agility anyway because i just love critting things in the face :PSavihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17956885275259935105noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-89838748844839253312008-11-21T14:36:00.000-08:002008-11-21T14:36:00.000-08:00Hey, Savi - okay, I see what you're saying. First ...Hey, Savi - okay, I see what you're saying. <BR/><BR/>First off, haste is definitely good for getting more OoC procs, and more OoC procs are always good. OoC as a talent is about a 10-15% DPS upgrade by itself due to more yellow attacks landing and more CP generation.<BR/><BR/>But let's go with that a bit. If you get 10% haste, you'll get 10% more OoC procs on average. That means 10% haste is worth 10% more white damage (which is about 25-30% of your total damage) and 10% more OoC (which is worth another 15% DPS), so 10% haste is worth about 4% more DPS.<BR/><BR/>10% haste would be 329 haste rating. That same amount of itemization could be 329 strength or 329 agility, which would be equivalent to either 658 AP (before buffs) or 329 AP and 4% more crit. Both of those would be better for DPS than 10% haste would. Especially strength; with survival of the fittest, blessing of kings and savage roar that 329 strength would scale to 1074 AP.<BR/><BR/>The big problem with haste is simply that white attacks are not that big of a source of damage for cats. For rogues, haste is great. Now, haste has definitely gotten a boost thanks to OoC's new mechanics, but it still isn't as good as other stats to stack.Kalonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05193899462301079034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-90447322498358512982008-11-21T14:25:00.000-08:002008-11-21T14:25:00.000-08:00http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?topic=11770....http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?topic=11770.0<BR/><BR/>confirmed by Jimmythenumbers in the next post:<BR/><BR/>Quote<BR/>With no cooldown and a 3.5 procs per minute, what this really means is that your melee attacks have a 5.83% (3.5/60) chance of proccing omen of clarity. Capping hit and having expertise makes sure you don't fail to land attacks that might have been hits that proc omen of clarity, and haste means you land more attacks per minute.<BR/><BR/>PPM isn't a mechanic where its only possible to have it proc 3.5 times a minute, it means it'll do that on average.<BR/><BR/>If you get to 10% haste and land 66 attacks in a minute instead of 60, you now will have 3.85 procs per minute on average.<BR/><BR/>so hit/expertise and then haste for me... you can socket/enchant agility, strength or crit as you prefer, since when you haven't got enough energy to use abilities, critting with white attacks wouldn't be so bad.Savihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17956885275259935105noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-51490559883203690722008-11-21T14:21:00.000-08:002008-11-21T14:21:00.000-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Savihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17956885275259935105noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-15348060140290838322008-11-21T07:56:00.000-08:002008-11-21T07:56:00.000-08:00Anon, my contact info is on my front page, or you'...Anon, my contact info is on my front page, or you're welcome to post it here. Unless the content is related to gold selling or something similar I won't delete it.Kalonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05193899462301079034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-89174215937128473282008-11-20T16:24:00.000-08:002008-11-20T16:24:00.000-08:00Is there a way I can contact you? There's a specif...Is there a way I can contact you? There's a specific post i'd like to show you and i'm not sure if it would be welcome here :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-91392235885980042792008-11-20T15:27:00.000-08:002008-11-20T15:27:00.000-08:00Haste is better than armor penetration in general ...Haste is better than armor penetration in general due to the bleeds doing a fair amount of damage in the cat cycle. OoC scales a bit better with haste now; it only procs on white attacks but has a higher proc rate, so it should proc more with more white attacks. In practice though, it's not that valuable relative to the other stats simply because so much of the cat's damage is based on yellow attacks. <BR/><BR/>Honestly, as long as you can choose strength or agility I would choose strength or agility. There's no real point where they become worse than haste or crit, and there's no reason to balance your stats one way or another instead of max out one value.Kalonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05193899462301079034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-74258304369620337132008-11-20T15:23:00.000-08:002008-11-20T15:23:00.000-08:00While I can see at level 80 that hit/expertise wil...While I can see at level 80 that hit/expertise will be things i'll be going for, after that I was trying to focus more on Crit/Haste since you'll get the strength and agility from gear and enchants, Should I go for haste rather than armor penetration? I heard OoC scales with haste now?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-33224091951643116702008-11-03T10:01:00.000-08:002008-11-03T10:01:00.000-08:00Hey, Anon -While strength is better than Agility, ...Hey, Anon -<BR/><BR/>While strength is better than Agility, it's not that much better than agility - it's about 1.05 points of agility for every point of strength. Because Potency is made for one-hand weapons it simply isn't as good as 35 agility.Kalonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05193899462301079034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-3360347214407326292008-11-03T09:44:00.000-08:002008-11-03T09:44:00.000-08:00If Strength is a better stat now in 3.02 then what...If Strength is a better stat now in 3.02 then what about Potency vs. Greater Agility?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-29442288291767220452008-11-02T12:02:00.000-08:002008-11-02T12:02:00.000-08:00Ooh, good point Nathanyel. Putting up that first r...Ooh, good point Nathanyel. Putting up that first rake if you've got RnT is almost required, and while ripping at 4/5CP is probably not good, raking at 1/2CP will get you most of the rake time + the 50% crit chance. <BR/><BR/>I'll add that to the FAQ. Thanks!Kalonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05193899462301079034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-52259466426479539372008-11-02T05:14:00.000-08:002008-11-02T05:14:00.000-08:00> Things die fast to cat. You can either go wit...<I>> Things die fast to cat. You can either go with pure mangle to 4/5CP then ferocious bite (don't bother with bleeds unless the thing takes a while to kill)</I><BR/><BR/>Actually, a good and fast farming rotation (tested on the scourge invasion mobs) is pull with FFF (stealth/ravage/pounce only when you really want to surprise the mob or if it's a caster), Mangle, Rake, maybe another Mangle if you don't have 3 or 4 CPs yet, then Bite. Cause, you know, RnT will grant that Bite +50% crit chance, so we're talking total crit chances above 90% here.Nathanyelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14732083481461519548noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-36503915317590382492008-10-31T10:53:00.000-07:002008-10-31T10:53:00.000-07:00Anon, Copey - good idea. I'll put in a couple poin...Anon, Copey - good idea. I'll put in a couple points in there as well. There's two schools of thought - one is just 'mangle to 4-5CP and FB', one is 'charge-pounce-shred-mangle until dead'. I prefer the former as it's faster and you don't really have any down time.<BR/><BR/>I'm also finding that specced DPS and against melee mobs it's a lot better to just grind 'em all using bear and swipe/maul your way to death. Faster and even less downtime.Kalonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05193899462301079034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-10766487933031962972008-10-31T08:39:00.000-07:002008-10-31T08:39:00.000-07:00I was also wondering about solo cat play. I didn'...I was also wondering about solo cat play. I didn't level up as a feral, so I've never really been way concerned about it. But since I'll be leveling up in two weeks again, I'm curious as to the best DPS cycle to kill things fast.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-4973455901733432022008-10-31T07:33:00.000-07:002008-10-31T07:33:00.000-07:00Could you talk a little about solo dps cycles? Ho...Could you talk a little about solo dps cycles? How do the cycles change w/o being able to shred all the time? Do I just substitute mangle in place of shred? Is the new feral charge for cat worth using to get a shred in or is it too cumbersome / energy inefficient?<BR/><BR/>Are the 2 points in brutal impact for longer pounce stuns and 2 points for shredding attacks still worth it in 3.02? (to get a mangle & shred in) or with improved mangle, does mangle spam work almost as well?<BR/><BR/>Thanks for the great bear & cat guides!<BR/><BR/>Elation<BR/>59 Druid<BR/>WhisperwindAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-34934019829502637232008-10-30T13:52:00.000-07:002008-10-30T13:52:00.000-07:00Kalon,Sorry to contact you this way, but I can't s...Kalon,<BR/><BR/>Sorry to contact you this way, but I can't seem to find an e-mail address for you. If you have a moment, please shoot me an e-mail to resto4life@gmail.com!Loni Huffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01133567916019535449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-62158353133126247412008-10-29T14:49:00.000-07:002008-10-29T14:49:00.000-07:00Hey, Doug -I tried to future proof this a bit. Raw...Hey, Doug -<BR/><BR/>I tried to future proof this a bit. Rawr.Cat isn't done yet, and it's working off of the old values and old cycles - and there agility reigns supreme. Toskk has made a good argument for Strength over agi, and nightcrowler has made an even better one for hit/expertise over everything else. <BR/><BR/>If Rawr changes its mind I will too. :)Kalonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05193899462301079034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-21053374836629863922008-10-29T14:24:00.000-07:002008-10-29T14:24:00.000-07:00I'm using RAWR 2.0.3 and I don't think it is using...I'm using RAWR 2.0.3 and I don't think it is using the same emphasis on stats as what was stated in the faq. It looks like it is still focused on agi as a primary stat. Also, I couldn't find where the stat values could be entered. Are you sure you weren't thinking of Toskk's when you mentioned that?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14233372841579341327noreply@blogger.com