tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post2936637658481397297..comments2023-10-03T03:48:35.523-07:00Comments on ThinkTank: [General] The future of block part 3 - long term fixesKalonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05193899462301079034noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-83089059888340633502009-05-31T08:57:37.232-07:002009-05-31T08:57:37.232-07:00Sometimes ideas make sense, but have emotional imp...Sometimes ideas make sense, but have emotional implications outside the logic and math. This seems to be the case. <br /><br />You present an elegant set of solutions for balancing out the tanking classes, but the ultimate conclusion is a set of more or less generic tanks. And this, as you point out, might be a problem. <br /><br />I can understand blizz wanting to move towards a bring the player not the class setup, but it seems odd to me that they seem to want to homogenize tanks most of all. No one is talking about giving pallys wild growth, for instance. <br /><br />Tanking diversity is fun because it makes you shine in certain situations. I would argue that the classes are balanced enough as it is; any class can tank any fight in Ulduar if they choose(how painful it is on the healers is another matter altogether--but then again, weren't they complaining about being bored). But certain classes will stand out, like warriors on the screaming mimi or bears on Ignis. Further homogenization, I fear, would come at the expense of non-standard tank class popularity and the "gasp" factor when you do some amazing, class-specific thing.Ylnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-14098584205286142222009-05-31T06:52:37.126-07:002009-05-31T06:52:37.126-07:00I have now finished reading the massive book about...I have now finished reading the massive book about block... and from a tanking perspective, I totally get it.<br /><br />However, from a healer's perspective... the fallout of your proposed changes is pretty significant and messy.<br /><br />First, I'd like to say... healing can be pretty boring. You're not in the boss's face tearing him apart. You're not shooting fire across the room. You're watching healthbars and making them get full again.<br /><br />That being said... Patchwerk remains one of my most exciting bosses to heal. Maybe I'm crazy, but I spend Patchwerk spamming my heart out on my healing assignment (an OT most of the time). There's no moving around in the fight, there's no guesswork as to who in the raid is going to take damage. It's a pretty boring healing assignment, but it's one of my favorite fights to heal.<br /><br />What Blizz, however, has taken from "healing is boring"... is "let's send damage everywhere! Woohoo!" There's more raid healing than ever. Let's say you have 7 healers (that's what we run in Ulduar) 4-5 of ours are generally on raid and 2-3 on tanks depending on the fight obviously.<br /><br />So with your suggestions I guess the end result as far as I can tell is "have tanks take more consistent but weaker hits." Which as you said... means there's less healing that HAS to be done. So you propose that healing gets weaker/regen gets weaker to correspond with these weaker hits... but the raid damage hasn't changed in your scenario. Sure, the tanks can avoid magic damage, but that doesn't do anything for the 22 other people in the raid.<br /><br />So I guess the dilemma I see is keeping average health values around the same as they are now (let's say tanks with 40k health) and they're taking less damage overall, that starts to make tank damage on the same order as raid damage so healing classes that are better suited to raid heal are suddenly the only class you want to have around--and homogenizing the healing classes even further probably wouldn't be a really good idea.<br /><br />On the other hand--what if you kept the damage the bosses are doing now the same, kept healers the same, but increased the health of the tanks. Keeping your block solution idea, you'd still not be running into "2 hits and you're done," but healing doesn't have to be completely screwed around with that way. Then you run into the pvp issue. No mage wants a prot warrior to wander into a BG and have 3-4 times the amount of health they do.<br /><br />I guess I officially have no constructive suggestions since I contradicted my own. But I've worked on this comment entirely too long to delete it. I officially do not envy Blizz.Selerianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-81667977725228920572009-05-30T05:14:57.900-07:002009-05-30T05:14:57.900-07:00You're getting into a world of chain reactions if ...You're getting into a world of chain reactions if you want to touch the current chances of tanks being 2shotted. Firstly, because tank healers don't care about avoidance, they don't and can't depend on it one bit. So lowering avoidance doesn't effect healing, other than to reduce overhealing(currently for paladins in the range of 70%). Now if you want to soften the blows from this, you've eliminated tank deaths completely and trivialized the content.<br /><br />So you might want to change mana regen, but it's already been nerfed for raidhealers, so you need to look at Paladins mainly atm, and they'll just gear away from their current dual throughput and regen stats to simple regen stats and keep spamming pretty much the same amount, with a smaller crit chance. Now you might want to change replenish effects, but then you've just made 90% of raidhealers run oom and you've got a whole other degree of shitstorm on your hands.<br /><br />Now you might reduce the amount tankhealers heal for. Except then they become redundant and you'd just have raidhealers heal everything. Unless you change how much raidhealers heal for. And now we're back to damage not being able to kill. And the content is trivialized.<br /><br />It's a whole lot of nasty chain reactions. And if you don't do it, then you are going to have a hard time justifying lower HP tanks no matter what their benefits are.Shamadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18412957246927291161noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-40132347230006391682009-05-30T01:20:31.386-07:002009-05-30T01:20:31.386-07:00good lord..
Kalon.
are you sure that you are not G...good lord..<br />Kalon.<br />are you sure that you are not GC older and smarter brother?kanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04688591574328619799noreply@blogger.com