tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post2396319356629759090..comments2023-10-03T03:48:35.523-07:00Comments on ThinkTank: [Druid] This just in: I am occasionally wrong (lacerate doesn't totally suck)Kalonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05193899462301079034noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-7447386538718768762009-01-19T08:44:00.000-08:002009-01-19T08:44:00.000-08:00Anon2 - thanks for coming by. For max damage on tr...Anon2 - thanks for coming by. <BR/><BR/>For max damage on trash, it's swipe and maul. That's it. Nothing else comes remotely close to swipe save berserk, and if you have 6 or more mobs swipe still wins.<BR/><BR/>For max damage on a single target that will last a bit, the best is to keep up a lacerate stack, mangle, maul and swipe. Lacerate as little as you can while maintaining the lacerate stack. <BR/><BR/>Phil - a lot of people probably won't have Idol of Terror, but the main reason I can think you wouldn't is if you're trying for max threat. Idol is simply not that good any more, and increasing maul damage by 120 and swipe damage by 24 is pretty significant damage. Idol of Terror's still the best overall idol, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't consider it. Still, in most situations you should count the lacerate bonus from 2pT7 and not the swipe bonus from the idol. <BR/><BR/>WTB tanking idol!Kalonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05193899462301079034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-87969378207636562272009-01-18T00:12:00.000-08:002009-01-18T00:12:00.000-08:00But Kal, who would really be doing any boss tankin...But Kal, who would really be doing any boss tanking with out the Idol of Terror?Phil Jacksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16617169205395145946noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-43058357131670314982009-01-16T13:03:00.000-08:002009-01-16T13:03:00.000-08:00Kalon - thanks for your responses re aoe rotations...Kalon - thanks for your responses re aoe rotations. I'm actually more interested in max damage, than in max threat. The thing is, the more damage the tanks can do on trash, the faster we clear to bosses, and the faster we farm an instance each week. So if I were to replace the word "threat" by "damage" in your responses, would what you say still hold true? Swipe's threat was buffed by 50%, but swipes *damage* remained unchanged. <BR/><BR/>As most tanks are saying these days, threat is a non-issue -therefore I only care about maxxing total damage.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-10708576759165808162009-01-16T12:47:00.000-08:002009-01-16T12:47:00.000-08:00Felkan - hey. :)This won't affect my talent build ...Felkan - hey. :)<BR/><BR/>This won't affect my talent build in the least. It actually decreases the effect that iMangle has on bear TPS, since it's a smaller percentage. Just my rotation. <BR/><BR/>Anon1 - thanks for coming by. My gut feeling is that keeping up lacerate on multiple mobs is simply not worth it because swipe by itself does a TON of threat, and when you multiply it by multiple mobs it does so much more. Yes, maul does huge amounts of threat, but swipe does the same amount of threat mangle does when hitting two mobs! If you've got 4 mobs, swipe does twice as much as mangle. You can't compete with that when lacerating. Now, if you really want that one target to stick to you I could see lacerating it first and mauling the hell out of it, but in general? Probably not such a good idea. Even starting out by what you say - doing a mangle and lacerate on 4 mobs - loses you 8 swipes, which is worth 2x mangle threat per swipe. Overall it's not even close.<BR/><BR/>Grumpy Misanthrope - that's what I'm wondering too. My gut feeling is that the sooner you can get the dot working, the better your overall threat will be, but only if the fight lasts a decent amount of time. If it doesn't, it's probably better to do either a minimum amount of lacerating such that you keep a lacerate on the mob and it grows (so getting the 5 stack after about 45-60 seconds of attacks) while swiping as much as you can. But I'd need to do the math on it.<BR/><BR/>Phil - yep, the T7 bonus makes this even better, though I didn't throw in the maul/swipe idol either. Swipe actually improves more when you count both that idol and T7, but the important point is that lacerate still wins.Kalonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05193899462301079034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-54415890478673800582009-01-16T12:23:00.000-08:002009-01-16T12:23:00.000-08:00I would assume with the T7 bonus that lacerate wou...I would assume with the T7 bonus that lacerate would be even better with this math correct?Phil Jacksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16617169205395145946noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-2637479022185672052009-01-16T12:17:00.000-08:002009-01-16T12:17:00.000-08:00So, I don't clock my rotation...I hit a mangle, la...So, I don't clock my rotation...I hit a mangle, lacerate, maul, then alternate mangles, swipes, and lacerates, hitting maul every time it's up. I guess I should front load the lacerates against the mauls? This is for single target tanking...<BR/><BR/>For "AOE" tanking, which I hate as a druid, I tend to just alternate swipes and mauls, throwing in the occasional growl if something bolts from me.teflaimehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12858992182120624497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-22198771837063936432009-01-16T10:45:00.000-08:002009-01-16T10:45:00.000-08:00Nice yeah, although I didnt bother to do the math,...Nice yeah, although I didnt bother to do the math, my intuitive sense from recount is that keep a lacerate up does more overall damage, with rnt & maul, than not keeping it up. So I've always kept it up. <BR/><BR/>I'm also interested if its worth keeping up a single lacerate on lots of mobs when we're aoe tanking trash, and then swipe/mauling/mangling. In other words, what is an optimal AOE threat rotation on say 4 mobs, which is about as many as you reasonably micromanage. I think thats a complex one to prove, so I'm not surprised if you dont want to do it. Again, I have my intuitive sense (keep lacerate on each mob, refresh when necessary, keep a mangle on each mob, & swipe in between. Spam beserk mangles only when you have a lacerate on each mob, and make sure you maul on every single attack)<BR/><BR/>The reason I ask is because the only thing I can contribute to a raid now is more damage... classic tanking stats are all more than satisfactory, for all encounters but sarth3d.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-59911840973753101522009-01-16T10:30:00.000-08:002009-01-16T10:30:00.000-08:00So, does this affect your talent build? Dropping ...So, does this affect your talent build? Dropping some points out of RnT or iMangle for Cat DPS? Or just your rotation?<BR/><BR/>What affect does the "new math" have on the value of iMangle/RnT?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com