tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post120169748356577052..comments2023-10-03T03:48:35.523-07:00Comments on ThinkTank: [Druid] A trinket you've probably forgotten aboutKalonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05193899462301079034noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-65646922072374336882008-10-29T09:27:00.000-07:002008-10-29T09:27:00.000-07:00Hey Doug - Yep, the proc rate is averaged in to th...Hey Doug - <BR/><BR/>Yep, the proc rate is averaged in to the value to give the 32 strength. Remember that that's only for cat, not for bear - for bear, you should put in 299 armor as the average value. (it's probably a bit more than that, but that's close)Kalonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05193899462301079034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-50752811949932444472008-10-29T09:22:00.000-07:002008-10-29T09:22:00.000-07:00Thanks Kalon. RAWR has the strength at 32. If I ...Thanks Kalon. RAWR has the strength at 32. If I adjust that to 65 it comes out much better, in the top five. Is that correct? Or did RAWR's setting take into account the proc rate and average the +65 number out to 32?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14233372841579341327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-49527094761445232012008-10-24T10:40:00.000-07:002008-10-24T10:40:00.000-07:00Hey, Doug -I've not been able to do hugely formal ...Hey, Doug -<BR/><BR/>I've not been able to do hugely formal testing on it, but so far all my wws and runs have shown about the same 3% proc chance per hit that other tests have. That results in about a 38% uptime on average, which gives this a value slightly below badge of tenacity but still higher than any other trinket, according to Rawr. It will provide on average 1550 armor for a fight. I had to manually add this to Rawr to get it to work - if you put in that it has an armor value of 299, you'll get the 'correct' results for it.<BR/><BR/>It's a bit problematic in that you can't control it. But if you need it, it's quite good. Another advantage is that the proc for cats is very strong now (+65 strength), which makes this one of the better trinkets to wear when you know you're going to have to do both cat and bear in the same fight.Kalonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05193899462301079034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-35867780636814779142008-10-24T08:54:00.000-07:002008-10-24T08:54:00.000-07:00Any more word on the value of the Root trinket? B...Any more word on the value of the Root trinket? Based on this post I took the trinket and by-passed two other nice upgrades from Hydross - ring of lethality and shoulderpads of the stranger. Rawr doesn't seem to factor it in it's calculations yet.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14233372841579341327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-51572052965550152702008-10-16T06:17:00.000-07:002008-10-16T06:17:00.000-07:00All right. As for all those add ons I listed (incl...All right. As for all those add ons I listed (including Quartz!), they've all been upgraded as of last night and now function in a mostly correct fashion. I'm just going to keep updating them every day.<BR/><BR/>Another interesting observation: last night, when the instance servers on Doomhammer <I>finally</I> started working, we blew through Heroic SH with four people in less than 20 minutes (with me rockin' the Bacon on my Paladin). We did the same thing <I>again</I> with me on Runy and a friend on his Pally tank (with Heroic/Kara/some Badge gear), and let me tell you, his multiple mob TPS seemed a <I>lot</I> better than mine, at least, if you're comparing Swipe v. Consecration. <BR/><BR/>I had heard that Swipe was scaling pretty poorly, but I'm not sure if that's still the case. Have you seen any evidence of this? Additionally, I was taking a metric fuckton of damage (although admittedly, I had like 7+ mobs on me at times). I'm interested in seeing how this plays out in a raid environment (we're considering seeing how much T5 content we can 10 man).<BR/><BR/>Time to go check out EJ.runycathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00540655599361720264noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-5510190790442896312008-10-15T14:17:00.000-07:002008-10-15T14:17:00.000-07:00Understood thx for the response Kalon. Yes, I just...Understood thx for the response Kalon. Yes, I just got the impresson you had missed how ridiculously easy the game is, so theorycrafting from former ways of doing things, while fun, doesnt mean anything in the world of warcraft we'll be playing tonight. If you're 7/8 t6 and you needed to farm some linen in westfall, you wouldnt use a flask and a food buff, would you, even if you wanted to "push yourself to the max"? That's kinda how the 2 raids I did felt last night - just plain silly - and that was my basic point.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-27016495053595275012008-10-15T12:04:00.000-07:002008-10-15T12:04:00.000-07:00Interesting about X-Perl; I picked up one version ...Interesting about X-Perl; I picked up one version of it yesterday, but maybe it's already dated. Bartender4 is great. Looks like I'm having issues with:<BR/><BR/>Outfitter (yeahhhhh, going to check out ItemRack)<BR/>Quartz (sadpanda)<BR/>PerfectRaid<BR/>Cartographer (and various plugins)<BR/>simpleMinimap<BR/>SCTD<BR/><BR/>and the like. I'm going to have to do some straight up process of elimination when I get home.runycathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00540655599361720264noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-70563241350435011762008-10-15T11:10:00.000-07:002008-10-15T11:10:00.000-07:00Hey, Runy :)On addon hell, ugh. I did get a versio...Hey, Runy :)<BR/><BR/>On addon hell, ugh. I did get a version of xperl that seems to work just fine - though it took a couple attempts. Even didn't have to kill the wtf stuff. Same went for bartender. CT_Viewport worked without updating. Omen works fine now. Itemrack got updated recently and looks great, though I had heard bad things about Outfitter. When I get a computer that can do so I'll put up some links. <BR/><BR/>The one I haven't been able to replace is decursive. Also, quartz appears totally fubar. And as usual auctioneer is messed up.Kalonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05193899462301079034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-33526154319734438712008-10-15T11:05:00.000-07:002008-10-15T11:05:00.000-07:00Okay, for some reason I got logged out. I just pos...Okay, for some reason I got logged out. I just posted that last comment.runycathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00540655599361720264noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-59032944888825410862008-10-15T11:04:00.000-07:002008-10-15T11:04:00.000-07:00In regards to Anonymous' comment, I can't help but...In regards to Anonymous' comment, I can't help but agree with Kalon. I've got 7/8 T6, and I <I>still</I> tend to tank in various pieces of S3/S4 arena gear. No one is "provoking" people to go and PVP to PVE, but for the folks who are interested in pushing their gear and play to the max, they're going to do whatever it takes to eke out extra itemization benefits. <BR/><BR/>That being said, people are clearing Sunwell <I>with ease</I> in about an hour or so. Sort of gives the proverbial finger to the guilds who've been killing themselves on M'uru pre-patch, but I suppose that's how it goes. I think we'll probably see how much content we can ten man tonight. <BR/><BR/>And. I may try out Balance. There are a stupid amount of great talents available in that tree, and I've still got a few T6 tokens uncashed. <BR/><BR/>Additionally, any idea of what raid/unit frames mods are working right now? I'm getting mixed reports, and X-Perl destroyed my UI.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-63417469784175058652008-10-15T10:53:00.000-07:002008-10-15T10:53:00.000-07:00Hey, anon - thanks for stopping by.I actually have...Hey, anon - thanks for stopping by.<BR/><BR/>I actually haven't tanked in 3.0.2 yet. We spent most of the night either DCing or fixing addons. Yay, for those fun times. I did go and try out mongoose on supplicant groups, and yes, it is damn fun to kill 30 supplicants and the elite that goes with them. I so missed AoE tanking on the paladin.<BR/><BR/>The best tanking gear does come from arena. It's not misleading, it's simply a statement of fact. Do you need it? I have no idea, to be honest. I doubt it seriously. Brutallus, possibly, but I don't know how hard he hits yet. Same goes for M'uru adds. Other than that I doubt there's a single boss that hits hard enough physically for it to seriously be a make-or-break thing. Yes, it goes against blizzard's design changes (in theory; in practice PvP gear is better at every ilvl for bears compared to similar pve gear from now until sunwell) and yes, it's an oversight on their part, but at the same time if you are wanting to eek out that last bit of awesomeness, go for arena gear. And if you have a couple pieces in the bank, use 'em. <BR/><BR/>On that note - blizzard's 'design changes' tend to always leave druids in an odd place. In TBC that meant stacking agility for both cats and bears even though Blizzard intended us to use strength. It meant ignoring the Pillar of Lol because it simply had no avoidance. It meant that PvP gear was often desired to reach uncrittability because it was so much easier to use vs. defense and the PvP gear was actually better itemized for bears. Druids have a long history of adapting in ways that Blizzard designers didn't expect them to.<BR/><BR/>What I didn't say was that everyone must run screaming for arena gear and that they'll be unable to tank without it. I don't think most people will absolutely need it. But if you've got a few pieces of gear? Oh yeah, they're pretty good to have. <BR/><BR/>I'll not let go of the high armor past, because armor is still the single best stat to stack for a feral and will be so throughout WotLK (until we hit that armor cap again) Since the armor nerf this has become more true, not less. Hence why Living Root of the Wildheart is so good by comparison. I suspect that Living Root will remain one of the better trinkets until 80ish, when you can get the first blue armor trinket. And that brutal arena gear may remain best in slot until Naxx. So it's not like it's useless now; it helps out on the leveling, grinding and instancing in WotLK as well.Kalonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05193899462301079034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1872162580492321772.post-13896600157984466242008-10-15T10:38:00.000-07:002008-10-15T10:38:00.000-07:00Did you tank in live 3.0.2 yet? Im sure you have w...Did you tank in live 3.0.2 yet? Im sure you have which is why I dont get your post. I tanked faster & better than ever last night, with 15k less armor, and a 0/56/5 spec. Oh yes, boss health was nerfed by 30%, but it felt more like 70%. AOE tanking kicks ass. Raid bosses were dropping LIKE FLIES. <BR/>Things have changed; let go of the high armor past. <BR/><BR/>If you declare that the best tanking gear comes from arena, then that's a misleading statment to make, and goes against Blizzard'd design changes. Yes, it may be the "best" in one respect, but if you're 25x overgeared for current content with arena gear, and only 20x overgeared with non-arena gear, does it matter? <BR/><BR/>I plan to PVE the way blizzard intends it, and I hope your post doesnt provoke people to feel they need to pvp in order to pve. <BR/><BR/>Having said all that, thanks for the tip! I did keep that trinket, it was gathering dust in the bank, so I 'll take it for a spin. But tbh the fights are a joke. I fully expect we'll be clearing t6 for the first time with ease, and a couple of bosses in sunwell.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com